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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by code_runner »

ByThyGrace wrote: post #179
noah_buddy wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have touched on something I am incredibly excited about. ChatGPT is going to do away with a lot of the intro level questions you ask researching certain sorts of technical problems, especially as it becomes better able to understand images. ChatGPT removes the need for you to ever open a manual (unless you want a deep understanding). How do I turn off this feature in my car? How do I replace the fan in my fridge’…

> and soon it’ll be able to produce videos or images of each step on demand As long as they're not hallucinated media...

hallucinations don't invalidate the product itself. I really hate to see this constant lazy refrain on here.

Its just like anything else. Trust but verify. Some will just trust, others never will... People probably over-trust the tech now, but just like wikipedia it will be approached a little more carefully as people learn its shortcomings.

Unless you're trying to perform open heart surgery or doing something intrinsically dangerous, its probably going to be additive. I wouldn't trust it to help me assemble a warp engine, but it may be able to give me some decent pointers for guitar technique or how to change my oil.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by dmix »

tifadg1 wrote: post #139
ThePhysicist wrote: post #89

This might be a trope here, but recently I noticed that the quality of search results has degraded quite a bit for me. When I e.g. search for Golang-related content (often I want just the official docs of a module like net/http) I get all these developer-focused, SEO-optimized blogs that are kind of helpful but often not, and I have to scroll all the way down to get the official docs. I really wonder if that has to d…

I now only google when I need to sometimes verify that what chatgpt is suggesting isn't BS and I'm immediately reminded that google is barely better between SEO content farms, SEO SO scrappers, legacy information from 10 years ago. And that's with ads blocked. Between chatgpt+ for general guidelines and copilot for specific implementation details, programming feels very fun and alive. And I'm very skeptical to subscr…

The response speed of GPT isn't fast enough for me to want to use it like Google. Even with plus.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by giancarlostoro »

gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

The decline started way back when they stopped letting you find mp3's and mp4's of movies and albums. I get that copyright infringement is bad and all, but their engine was fully capable of you typing a obscure phrase, and being able to get web results. Somewhere behind all the filters a lot of powerful searching capabilities just died.

If I had unlimited money, I'd make a fresh search engine, zero filtering to start outside of blatant spam sites, and go from there. Focus on making results be powerful.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by tayo42 »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #206
gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

It's absurd how Google will simply ignore the keywords in my search to feed me whatever it's trash algorithm decided fits my search. And the decline in Google Maps has been shocking. Maps has gone from always reliable to being "trust it if you like wasting time and burning fuel" bad. I don't know what the hell happened at Google, but it ain't pretty.

Hah it wish I kept this search I did once. I was searching something about lsd. It somehow decided to replace it with "acid" but then showed results about related to pH lol

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by ChildOfChaos »

gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

It's a bit strange, to me Google seems to be what it has always been, but if you read hacker news it's 'actual trash'.

It's the same with amazon, I purchase from there on a weekly basis and it goes well, but you read the comments on hacker news and it's apparently unusable now.

What gives?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by iLoveOncall »

The latest figure I saw for Bing's marketshare was 2.81% [1].

That means it has grown to a 3.23% market share, which is still basically total insignificance.

People were saying it would lead to a big shift away from Google but those are simply laughable numbers.

Call me back when it grows by 500%.

[1] https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/search-engine-market-share

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by tornato7 »

bradly wrote: post #142
culopatin wrote: post #26

I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

Here is what I have asked it the past few days with great results: - What is the trim stop attachment that comes with the Festool DF 500 used for? - What are some options for water for a home with no municiple water or well access? - What dimensions drawer should I make when using 18" Blum Blumotion full extension drawer slides if the drawer opening is 20 inches wide, 18 inches deep and seven inches tall? - Can the s…

There's a ditch by my house that the city put in. I roughly knew what it was, a big pit where rain collects and soaks into the groundwater. But I wanted to know the name of it and no amount of Googling could get me to the right answer. My query was too vague.

The day that ChatGPT launched, I described the what it was and it came back with, "that's called an infiltration basin."

That's when I knew Google was in trouble.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by notahacker »

LegionMammal978 wrote: post #160
manfre wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google knows it's you if you did all of that from the same computer.

Google is more than capable of doing such basic fingerprinting, but do you have evidence Google uses it for search results? You can do a trivial experiment on another Google platform: open some video on YouTube, leave it, and look at the front page. Then, look at the YouTube front page in a private/incognito tab. (Alternatively, use two different private sessions.) In my experience, no matter what device or network I…

Considering people switch to Incognito Mode to get different results, it'd be weird and not particularly commercially savvy to frustrate them and feed their paranoia by serving them the same ones. Non-Google search engines and browsers exist.

I'm also reminded of a CTO complaining that his test sessions suggested the default Google ads on a page with little text content all related to dating. We pointed out that that from Google's point of view, this was probably a sensible ad-targeting decision for a user running an Incognito mode browser (or any browser without tracking cookies)...

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by ChildOfChaos »

monksy wrote: post #185
gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

Let's not forget about the links to scam sites. This is one of the sites it shows you for "log in to g mail" https://clinmedjournals.org/articles/blogs/gmail-login.html

But you literally typed it in the same way that a scammer would word it and then not expect it to find a scam site?? Nice bait, ever considered being a journalist?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by WhereIsTheTruth »

treve wrote: post #161
WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #145

Google trends shows a different picture: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%201-d&q=%2... Close to no change Who to trust?

Assuming this is not a troll, google trends measures how often people search something on google. The URL you linked shows how often people search the word 'Bing' on google. If Bing has an uptick, that doesn't necessarily mean that they first go to Google to find Bing and then do their actual search.

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