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OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by cameldrv »

majormajor wrote: post #148
eindiran wrote: post #67

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I mean, this is a big part of the issue. Of course the issue isn't reproducible; Google is trying to do the search based on their model of what you want back. Sometimes you benefit from that, other times it pushes the results you want way down. I just tested this and there were some micropython related results in the top ten, but the majority were for beautiful soup with no mention of micropython.

I often find that frustrating about Google search, but I'm also unconvinced it's a problem that a more-AI-driven approach will avoid. Seems like the idea to try to convince the model to interpret things differently based on user history is still likely to get pushed by product managers, and still technically capable. And then "no tell me about the framework" "conversationally" vs tailoring Google search terms seems a…

Based on my usage of ChatGPT, I think that a more AI driven approach could help a lot. With ChatGPT if it misinterprets what I'm asking for, I can make a clarifying followup query.

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Post by JohnFen »

_hypx wrote: post #126
AviationAtom wrote: post #33

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For those old enough to remember, it's exactly the reason why Google took Yahoo's place back when.

But what can replace Google? Is there another search engine with stunningly relevant results like the early days of Google?

No, but there are other search engines that aren't any worse than Google.

And, apparently depending on the style of your search terms or what you're searching for, one or two are better. I get noticeably better results from DDG, but I know that a lot of other people don't. I can only speculate that the difference must be search terms or topics.

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Post by johnthescott »

faeriechangling wrote: post #239
i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204

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Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

Is Sundar a bad CEO or merely a mediocre one though? Who would replace him that could get the job done where Sundar failed? I think it's easier said than done to stay the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade even if your leadership is above-average. Still Sundar is mediocre at best, and I certainly think Google's shareholders should be looking for a new person to run the place. It's not just AI, Google's entire…

jeff dean, would have my vote? https://research.google/people/jeff/

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Post by InitialLastName »

CorrectHorseBat wrote: post #202
tines wrote: post #40

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I just performed that search in Google and the top two results are links to PyPI and Snyk packages for micropython-html.parser. The third result is a link to python.org documentation for html.parser (not micropython). Bing returns the result for PyPI and the one for the non-micropython python.org result. I don't see a big difference here (except maybe me learning about Snyk through google and not Bing?).

I think it's more that Google has gotten noticeably worse, not that Bing has gotten better.

All you need is for Google to get worse and Bing's marketing to get better (which it has, by nature of being associated with the biggest tech hype train of recent memory).

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Post by saberience »

jacamera wrote: post #182
culopatin wrote: post #26

I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

The most illuminating thing about ChatGPT for me is just how terrible most programmers on HN apparently are. I thought it was just a funny meme that all we do is copy/paste from Stack Overflow but apparently that is literally what a lot of people are doing all day.

This comment is giving me “Look at me I’m so very smart” vibes.

If you don’t have enough insight to understand how GPT4 could be useful for engineers you’re not as enlightened as you think you are.

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Post by this_user »

i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building things.

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Post by sebzim4500 »

dougmwne wrote: post #57
taytus wrote: post #51

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I know this might be controversial but I believe SEO ruined search.

Do yo think if you prompted that to GTP it would detect sarcasm?

> As an AI language model, I cannot infer emotions or intentions with certainty, but the statement does not appear to use typical markers of sarcasm. The commenter is expressing an opinion about SEO and its impact on search, and while it is framed as potentially controversial, it does not necessarily come across as sarcastic.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by Animats »

gfd wrote: post #45
Animats wrote: post #11

Users have to sign in with a Microsoft account to use this. Is that the future? You have to sign up to search? It takes more resources per query to run AI-based search than a search engine. Everybody offering ChatGPT type systems is either pay per view or heavily throttled. We may be in the last days of free search as the dominant product.

Google's business model is entirely based off the fact that search is great for signaling intent, and that is great for selling ads. A personalized AI assistant goes WAY beyond that. Whenever you talk to it, it can go into salesman mode to con you into buying shit you don't need. Surely the economics will work out to still provide "free" searches.

> Surely the economics will work out to still provide "free" searches.

Only for people with significant spending. Amazon Prime customers, for example.

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