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OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Maybe you got some Spyware or something interfering with Google queries

Or maybe google tailors what it shows to what it thinks I want to see based on my user profile :P

I love how this is also an example of how well censorship works

People just invalidating each other instead of the third party because a third party creates different experiences

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

Here is what I have asked it the past few days with great results:

  - What is the trim stop attachment that comes with the Festool DF 500 used for?

  - What are some options for water for a home with no municiple water or well access?

  - What dimensions drawer should I make when using 18" Blum Blumotion full extension drawer slides if the drawer opening is 20 inches wide, 18 inches deep and seven inches tall?

  - Can the smaller Laguna 14 bandsaw motor be replaced with the 3HP version?

  - What's the best way to get ChatGPT support if the official support page is not working?

  - I'm trying to remember a 90s movie about a boy prodigy that goes to an event with other prodigies and then shouts out an answer to a math question from the audience.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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I also get the same result when logged-in and incognito. Others in the thread seem to get them also.

Google can incorporate quality signals in near real time. Those signals include leaving and immediately returning to the SERP. So us discussing these particular results could have already influenced them.

This comment thread is now #6 and #7 for me

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

Perhaps it was a matter of me not paying enough attention, but it seemed like Google degraded slowly over time, and then suddenly all-at-once. Or in other words, it seems like its become unusable for me entirely within the past year.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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I just performed that search in Google and the top two results are links to PyPI and Snyk packages for micropython-html.parser. The third result is a link to python.org documentation for html.parser (not micropython). Bing returns the result for PyPI and the one for the non-micropython python.org result. I don't see a big difference here (except maybe me learning about Snyk through google and not Bing?).

> I just performed that search in Google It's been publicly known that Google has been bubbling search results for years now, and that one individual's search results have no relation to another's.

Every individuals everything has no relation to another's - which I think is a core cause of society's disconnects. Not that people got along before algorithms drove everything, but it's certainly been a destabilizing factor.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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I just performed that search in Google and the top two results are links to PyPI and Snyk packages for micropython-html.parser. The third result is a link to python.org documentation for html.parser (not micropython). Bing returns the result for PyPI and the one for the non-micropython python.org result. I don't see a big difference here (except maybe me learning about Snyk through google and not Bing?).

I mean, this is a big part of the issue. Of course the issue isn't reproducible; Google is trying to do the search based on their model of what you want back. Sometimes you benefit from that, other times it pushes the results you want way down. I just tested this and there were some micropython related results in the top ten, but the majority were for beautiful soup with no mention of micropython.

> Of course the issue isn't reproducible; Google is trying to do the search based on their model of what you want back...

There's a problem here though, which is that there is no way for me or any other reader to discern whether the reality of the situation is "it's not reproducible and the commenter is misremembering basic facts about their search results due perhaps to some unrelated frustrations" and "it's not reproducible but the commenter's account is accurate."

I completely share the views about Google's search results being terrible, but it's still possible to overstate how bad they are. And I do find it fairly difficult to believe that Google would show some people paid programming courses as the top 4 results for that query when much more relevant results clearly exist and everyone attempting to reproduce this gets those more relevant results.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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I just performed that search in Google and the top two results are links to PyPI and Snyk packages for micropython-html.parser. The third result is a link to python.org documentation for html.parser (not micropython). Bing returns the result for PyPI and the one for the non-micropython python.org result. I don't see a big difference here (except maybe me learning about Snyk through google and not Bing?).

I mean, this is a big part of the issue. Of course the issue isn't reproducible; Google is trying to do the search based on their model of what you want back. Sometimes you benefit from that, other times it pushes the results you want way down. I just tested this and there were some micropython related results in the top ten, but the majority were for beautiful soup with no mention of micropython.

I often find that frustrating about Google search, but I'm also unconvinced it's a problem that a more-AI-driven approach will avoid. Seems like the idea to try to convince the model to interpret things differently based on user history is still likely to get pushed by product managers, and still technically capable. And then "no tell me about the framework" "conversationally" vs tailoring Google search terms seems a bit of a wash.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Maybe you got some Spyware or something interfering with Google queries

Um, no. Google "bubbles" their search results, meaning that they customize them based on their profile of you. This is not new - it's been implemented and known publicly for years .

I'd say the results are bad enough that something is interfering.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

I just performed that search in Google and the top two results are links to PyPI and Snyk packages for micropython-html.parser. The third result is a link to python.org documentation for html.parser (not micropython). Bing returns the result for PyPI and the one for the non-micropython python.org result. I don't see a big difference here (except maybe me learning about Snyk through google and not Bing?).

I have no idea why Snyk isn't treated as a spam domain.
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