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Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Post by bmurphy1976 »

londons_explore wrote: post #312
kajaktum wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Instead it has a multi-million dollar company behind it, and VC's who demand profits from a thing that shouldn't have ever had a business plan. But you don't have to host curl? Who's gonna put the money to host all the images and bandwidths that ten of thousands of companies use but never pay?

It could have been designed with a self-host option or a torrent/ipfs backend for near-zero hosting costs and still be 'just works' for the user.

Even dumber, it should have just been pointers to encrypted files hosted on any arbitrary web server.

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Post by jamal-kumar »

citizenpaul wrote: post #393
voytec wrote: post #128

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> Docker should have been a neat tool made by one enthusiast, just like curl is. I have nothing but mad respect for Daniel Stenberg. 25 years of development of great software, for which he had been threatened[1] and had ridiculous US travel visa obtaining issues[2]. [1] https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/02/19/i-will-slaughter-you/ [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26192025 [2] https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2020/1…

There are lots of high functioning but harmless crazy people out there . I used to work for a government job and I found one of the most common tells was exactly what this "slaughter" person did. They love to list dozens of agencies to you for no reason. They have no authority so they hope they can borrow it from your fear of a random place. I cannot tell you how many emails/calls I have had left that fit this patter…

I remember someone abusing a ticketing system I had to work with for reporting technical issues with a vast computer network, raising a ticket with an attachment from some absolute nutcase in multicolored manyunderlined .RTF format which was like as you described as "hate mail" in the subject line and the ticket being closed as "not hate mail", still makes me chuckle every time I think about that

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Post by sofixa »

antimba wrote: post #224
windexh8er wrote: post #101

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Podman is interesting. I like the architecture problems it solves with respect to Docker but the way they went about it was typical big business Red Hat. Dan Walsh, Podman's BDFL it seems, basically stood in front of RHEL / OpenShift customers for years bashing Docker even when a majority of the things he was claiming were less than half baked. RHEL made sly moves like not supporting the Docker runtime, even at a tim…

Podman winning is good. Red Hat consistently does things right, for example their quay.io is open source, unlike Docker Hub and GitHub Container Registry. The risks of not using rootless containers weren’t blown way out of proportion, because rootless containers really are much more secure. Not requiring a daemon, supporting cgroup v2 early, supporting rootless containers well and having them as the default, these ar…

> In this and many other things, Red Hat eventually wins because they are more open-source friendly and because they hire better developers who make better engineering decisions.

We must be talking about a different Red Hat here. Podman, with breaking changes in every version, that is supposedly feature and CLI complete with Docker, but isn't actually, is winning because it's more open source friendly or better technically? Or systemd, written in a memory unsafe language (yes, that is a problem for something so critical and was already exploited at least a couple of times), using a weird special format for it's configuration, where the lead dev insults people and refuses to backport patches (no, updating systemd isn't a good idea) won "because it was more open source friendly"? Or OpenShift that tries to supplant Kubernetes stuff with Red Hat specific stuff that doesn't work in some cases (e.g. TCP IngressRoutes lack many features), is winning "because it was more open source friendly"?

No, Red Hat are just good at marketing, are an established name, and know how to push their products/projects well, even if they're not good or even ready (Podman is barely ready but has been pushed for years by this point).

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Post by mindcrime »

richardwhiuk wrote: post #329
petesergeant wrote: post #262

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> escrowing Are you sure this is what you mean? Escrow is a type of contactual arrangement, one type of which is agreeing with a commercial partner that you get a copy of their source-code if they go broke. I feel like you mean vendoring.

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"Vendoring" is 100% a word. It may not be in the OED or MW, but those things are descriptive, not prescriptive. Words become words when they are used as words, and "vendoring" is used as such. See:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vendoring

https://www.google.com/search?q=vendoring

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Post by rcme »

Strom wrote: post #408
legohead wrote: post #395

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"don't expect" or "for certain"? Can't really plan ahead without some kind of certainty.

There is no real distinction between those two phrases here, because the person using those phrases isn't ultimately in control.

Even if they were fully in control, there still would not be a distinction because whoever is controller this decision could change their mind at a later date.

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Post by trey-jones »

Sebb767 wrote: post #68
trey-jones wrote: post #32

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> But for how long? applies very much to Github, and for all of their services, not just containers. The elephant in the room, hardly needs to be mentioned I would think (Microsoft). We are only a few years into that regime.

You can say a lot of bad stuff about Microsoft, but they are not known for randomly and suddenly killing of their services.

It's not randomly and suddenly killing off services, but rather suddenly (and not randomly) changing the pricing structure when companies have been committing to the point of lock-in for years on the free tier.

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Post by jacooper »

yrro wrote: post #407
jacooper wrote: post #236

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Rootless networking is still a mess with no IP source propagation and much slower performance. So for most users docker with userNS-remapping is actually a better choice. Also systemd integration isn't a plus for me, I don't want to deal with SystemD just to have a container start on startup.

I think --network=pasta: helps with source IP preservation. Regardless that has never bothered me since I'm only using podman or docker for local development...

Hmmm, pasta seems to solve all rootless networking issues...

https://github.com/containers/podman/pull/16141

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Post by whydoyoucare »

nindalf wrote: post #227
FlyingSnake wrote: post #31

> Start publishing images to GitHub And when GitHub starts similar shenanigans, move out to where? I am old enough to know the we can't trust BigTech and their unpredictable behaviors. Eventually we need to start a Codeberg like alternative using Prototype funds to be self reliant. 1: https://codeberg.org/ 2: https://prototypefund.de/

> And when GitHub starts similar shenanigans The difference between GitHub and Docker is that GitHub is profitable.

Profitable today. Moving from docker to github is just kicking the can down the road.

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Post by sofixa »

spicyusername wrote: post #35
jon-wood wrote: post #13

Docker the tool has been a massive benefit to software development, every now and then I have a moan about the hassle of getting something bootstrapped to run on Docker, but it's still worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed. Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying, this is the latest in a long line…

ideally a coop of some variety This is the role I feel like podman, the tool developed by Red Hat, is filling.

How is a tool developed by, and strongly pushed by (to the point of strongarming customers to transition to their tool, features lacking be damned) a corporation, especially one owned by IBM, filling the role of a coop-developed tool?

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Post by bombolo »

> Cybersquat before a bad actor can

I don't see why the duty of preventing this falls on the shoulders of the maintainers that are being kicked out to begin with.

I don't publish on docker hub, but if they were in the process of kicking me out, I'd let the chip fall and let them deal with any eventual disaster.

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