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Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Post by yrro »

quaintdev wrote: post #45
spicyusername wrote: post #35

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ideally a coop of some variety This is the role I feel like podman, the tool developed by Red Hat, is filling.

Podman is great and is first class citizen on Fedora. It also integrates nicely with SystemD. My only gripe with it is not many developers provide podman configuration on their install pages like they do with docker compose

Fortunately you can use docker-compose with Podman these days.

(There have been a few false starts so I'm specifically referring to the vanilla unmodified docker-compose that makes Docker API calls to a UNIX socket which Podman can listen to).

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Post by hughw »

politician wrote: post #342
nine_k wrote: post #254

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Good thing is that setting up an image registry in AWS is so simple! (Ha-ha, only serious.)

It's strikingly trivial to self-host docker images in AWS ECR and to run your own CICD platform with safe deployments using EC2, the AWS SDK and the Docker SDK. A super basic process that monitors one GitHub repo is ~150 LOC. EDIT: I just confirmed that GPT-4 can write this program. Have fun!

Thank you if you can share this prompt.

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Post by yrro »

kachnuv_ocasek wrote: post #195
majewsky wrote: post #76

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Tangent: Why is the misspelling "SystemD" so common, when it has always been "systemd"? I would understand "Systemd" or "SYSTEMD" or something, but why specifically this weird spelling?

I've always thought of it as in analogy to System V.

Interestingly, https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/#spelling says...

> But then again, if [calling it systemd] appears too simple to you, call it (but never spell it!) System Five Hundred since D is the roman numeral for 500 (this also clarifies the relation to System V, right?).

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Post by technick »

Docker is shooting itself in the foot. Oddly I decided to put on the docker shirt from one of their 2016 hackathons today before reading the news. I'm embarrassed to own this shirt and will throw it away after today.

RIP Docker, your former self will be missed while your current self will be loathed.

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Post by 54656g3 »

Well I am thankful because I don't use Docker in my professional life but do in my personal life. I guess I will rebuild my system without Docker. It made things easy but I have no interest in trying to track bullshit like this as an end user.

I guess Docker is as good as dead.

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Post by jacooper »

fisiu wrote: post #363
jacooper wrote: post #341

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I meant a a repo for a distro package manager, so you can get the latest version regardless of whatever version your distro ships.

The most of major distros ship podman in their repositories. Just use your package manager to install podman.

And these versions are often our of date, which is important given that podman is in active a development and you want to be using the latest version.

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Post by yrro »

jacooper wrote: post #236
ilovecaching wrote: post #77

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It’s literally OCI compatible, integrates with systemd and LSM, and runs rootless by default. Podman is 100000% better designed on the inside with the same interface on the outside.

Rootless networking is still a mess with no IP source propagation and much slower performance. So for most users docker with userNS-remapping is actually a better choice. Also systemd integration isn't a plus for me, I don't want to deal with SystemD just to have a container start on startup.

I think --network=pasta: helps with source IP preservation.

Regardless that has never bothered me since I'm only using podman or docker for local development...

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Post by Strom »

legohead wrote: post #395
TimWolla wrote: post #240

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The images you mention (alpine, node, golang) are all so-called “Docker Official Images”. Those are all the ones without a slash as the namespace separator in them: https://hub.docker.com/search?q=&type=image&image_filter=off... They are versioned and reviewed here: https://github.com/docker-library/official-images I don't expect them to go away. Disclosure: I maintain two of them (spiped, adminer).

"don't expect" or "for certain"? Can't really plan ahead without some kind of certainty.

There is no real distinction between those two phrases here, because the person using those phrases isn't ultimately in control.

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Post by mc4ndr3 »

I am confused by the meaning of Docker's announcement. They keep saying "organizations" will have Docker images deleted. Does that include personal FOSS images or not? Because the vast majority of Docker Hub images are uploaded by individual contributors, not "organizations."

Too bad about their poor relationship with the FOSS community. I've applied to them for years, and actually merged some minor patches to Docker to help resolve a go dependency fiasco. Zero offers.

I guess the next logical move is to republish any and all non-enterprise Docker images to a more flexible host like the GitHub registry.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Post by mc4ndr3 »

dbingham wrote: post #230

As an SRE Manager, this is causing me a hell of a headache this morning. In 30 days a bunch of images we depend on may just disappear. We mostly depend on images from relatively large organizations (`alpine`, `node`, `golang`, etc), so one would want to believe that we'll be fine - they're all either in the open source program or will pay. But I can't hang my hat on that. If those images disappear, we lose the abilit…

That's a fair point, and when someone with a working brain mentions the fallout throughout the Internet that would result, I expect Docker Inc. will reverse course and embark on a PR campaign pretending it was all a mere tawdry joke.
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