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Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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I was thinking about the same thing a few days ago. One of the most interesting takeaways from this war is how soft power is very underrated, and lack of any soft power whatsoever is one of the reasons behind Russia's problems.

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> Russian folk are the slaves to their rulers with a long history and indoctrinated brains

racist much?

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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I think the trajectories from there are nowhere as good as Baikonur

Baikonur is 45.62° N, 63.31° E Vostochny Cosmodrome, (Tsiolkovsky, Amur Oblast) is 51.85° N, 128.35° E. 550 miles west of Sakhalin Island and the Sea of Japan.

51° N is like London...not the best latitude for launching to space

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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I'm not saying you are wrong but why stop here? Why are the ruling guys stupid? Why do stupid guys get to rule? I also am not sure stupidity is binary or all encompassing. I think they must be doing something right to be rulers to a country. Why do russian citizen take it? Maybe that's where stupid is the final answer, but maybe not. As for international relations, I am more and more coming to the conclusion that eve…

This seems to be a weakspot of alot of ideological groups in the west(left/right) but also in the east(ccp), the assumption that one can just "sing" a version of reality into beeing by loudness. What is usually archieved is a placation act, by which the lower status parties involved pretends to kotau, but then gets on with its own life in its own style, with the calmed priesthood. Its a very strange state of affairs.…

If you have the power to force people to pretend a lie is the truth and behave accordingly, it doesn't matter if they accept it.

A few weeks ago, millions of Americans believed their government was at war with alien spacecraft, or an invasion of Chinese balloons. That was reality. Now that reality has been flipped off like a light switch, and a new reality turned on. As Karl Rove once said "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too."

People don't experience objective, measurable scientific reality, they experience a subjective hyperreality as the sum of signals from corporate media, pop culture and disinformation agents (including their own media and government.) This is what the whole "post truth" theory is about - not that objective reality can be manufactured, but that power comes from manipulating the perception of reality.

And eventually, many people will believe it. Humans are not rational beings that consider truth by the most mathematically precise and logically sound methods available, we are emotional beings driven by the need to square the circles of our lives by any means necessary. That's how propaganda and great lies work. It's how innocent people can enter an interrogation and come out convinced of the narrative of their guilt, to the point of having fabricated memories of it.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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I'm not saying you are wrong but why stop here? Why are the ruling guys stupid? Why do stupid guys get to rule? I also am not sure stupidity is binary or all encompassing. I think they must be doing something right to be rulers to a country. Why do russian citizen take it? Maybe that's where stupid is the final answer, but maybe not. As for international relations, I am more and more coming to the conclusion that eve…

Russia has a nearly unbroken 150-200 year history of tyrannical government (sometimes in just the classical sense of power vested in a single individual, but often in the more modern sense where oppression is added to that). Sometimes there have been rebellions, but always the end result is the same in Russia: power resides in a single individual. Most other countries, east, west, and other, put up more resistance to the kinds of power structures Russia historically has had.

It's not projecting to postulate that maybe, just maybe, Russians (in aggregate, individual exceptions likely exist) are just okay with that.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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> Russian folk are the slaves to their rulers with a long history and indoctrinated brains racist much?

Well the power structure has never changed bar a short period after USSR colapse than people gladly elected another strong man who shifted back to the same arrangment that was in place for centuries. You have a figure head (Tsar, General Secretery etc.) who holds all the power and appoints regional managers to rule a particular area. The expansionist agenda is always the key to the ideology.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Russia isn't currently in a position to invade another country. In the medium-long term, *stans might want to balance the relations between Russia and China (and a bit with the West) which might make further Russian invasions unlikely.

Yeah to me (admittedly a complete outsider) they seem to just barely have the capability to remain in the fight in Ukraine, it's almost unthinkable that they'd try to open another front. I've also been wondering recently if Georgia might see this war as an opportune moment to retake South Ossetia and Abkhazia, or if Moldova might attempt to reestablish control of Transnistria. With Russia underresourced and distracte…

Unlikely; the current Georgian gov't is rabidly pro-Russian. They've got the previous (anti-Russian, pro-Ukrainian) president thrown in jail, slowly dying (Saakashvili). And the country is rammed full of Russian ex-pats.

Much of the populace seems extremely unhappy about this, but it's an unstable situation in the wrong way that would lead to military action in that way.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Russia isn't currently in a position to invade another country. In the medium-long term, *stans might want to balance the relations between Russia and China (and a bit with the West) which might make further Russian invasions unlikely.

The current Kazakh leadership certainly seems to be intent on balancing Chinese, Russian and Western influences. In the future, possibly even South Asian influences.

It makes sense; Kazakhstan is a huge country, can't be easily subdued by force, so diplomacy is the name of the game, and it pays to be "an expensive bride" to multiple suitors. Especially when accounting for Kazakh natural resources.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Very nice. I guess Russia's lease on Baikonur is until 2050. I wonder what happens if it's not renewed...

I do not believe russians will want or need to get into space until 2050, because the economy of this country is screwed and electronics tech-stack is dependent on global market to deliver required chips... Needless to say the window of opportunity to receive the electronic components is closing. They can't run a space program on gray market deliveries.

They can run one where china supplies the required components.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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I was thinking about the same thing a few days ago. One of the most interesting takeaways from this war is how soft power is very underrated, and lack of any soft power whatsoever is one of the reasons behind Russia's problems.

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> Russia's problem is the total stupidity of the ruling guys

More likely the result of the resource curse.

https://youtu.be/rStL7niR7gs

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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> turning away from it seems like an economic suicide On the other hand, not turning away from it might be literal suicide.

Nah, we in NATO don’t blame landlocked countries with small economies for having, well, ambiguous relations with nearby Russia. It’s the places that have a choice, like Serbia, India, and Hungary, that are at risk of moving themselves onto our list of geopolitical rivals.

Just checked the GDPs of Serbia v Kazakhstan v Hungary.

Serbia: 63.08 billion USD (2021)

Kazakhstan: 197.1 billion USD (2021)

Hungary: 181.8 billion USD (2021)

Per google, sources include World Bank.

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