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Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by vinaypai »

vbezhenar wrote: post #7
idontwantthis wrote: post #3

Is this real or not? Many articles all pointing to this domain which is currently down.

Sources are sketchy. Those sources I've found report that Kazakhstani bailiffs put an arrest to Russian property (basically they can't move it out of the country) and forbade some manager to leave country as well. I'm not sure if English meaning of word seizure includes those actions, I thought that seizure is more like expropriation and that's not what happening here. I think that's not serious. It's either some pol…

> turning away from it seems like an economic suicide

On the other hand, not turning away from it might be literal suicide.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by toyg »

vbezhenar wrote: post #7
idontwantthis wrote: post #3

Is this real or not? Many articles all pointing to this domain which is currently down.

Sources are sketchy. Those sources I've found report that Kazakhstani bailiffs put an arrest to Russian property (basically they can't move it out of the country) and forbade some manager to leave country as well. I'm not sure if English meaning of word seizure includes those actions, I thought that seizure is more like expropriation and that's not what happening here. I think that's not serious. It's either some pol…

> While Kazakhstan is not fully supporting Russia, turning away from it seems like an economic suicide.

Obviously they're not going to cut all ties, but it's a good time for Kazakhs (or any other ex-Soviet population still in the Russian orbit) to renegotiate contracts. The bear is in a position of weakness both on diplomatic, economic, and military terms.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by cozzyd »

hadlock wrote: post #8

This apparently is a building/warehouse valued under $30 million that was under construction and never completed, never paid for. It is inside the boundary line of the cosmodrome which makes it notable, but this does not impact space operations for Russia directly. However it's not like they just seized a Soyuz rocket or crates of rocket engines, or even a train load of rocket fuel and they're holding it in lieu of p…

Very nice. I guess Russia's lease on Baikonur is until 2050. I wonder what happens if it's not renewed...

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by mlindner »

vbezhenar wrote: post #7
idontwantthis wrote: post #3

Is this real or not? Many articles all pointing to this domain which is currently down.

Sources are sketchy. Those sources I've found report that Kazakhstani bailiffs put an arrest to Russian property (basically they can't move it out of the country) and forbade some manager to leave country as well. I'm not sure if English meaning of word seizure includes those actions, I thought that seizure is more like expropriation and that's not what happening here. I think that's not serious. It's either some pol…

Possibly that's a "lien" then rather than seizure?

> A claim upon a part of another's property that arises because of an unpaid debt related to that property and that operates as an encumbrance on the property until the debt is satisfied.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by fredoralive »

cozzyd wrote: post #13
hadlock wrote: post #8

This apparently is a building/warehouse valued under $30 million that was under construction and never completed, never paid for. It is inside the boundary line of the cosmodrome which makes it notable, but this does not impact space operations for Russia directly. However it's not like they just seized a Soyuz rocket or crates of rocket engines, or even a train load of rocket fuel and they're holding it in lieu of p…

Very nice. I guess Russia's lease on Baikonur is until 2050. I wonder what happens if it's not renewed...

Russia has now built a launch site inside Russia (Vostochny Cosmodrome), in its far east. Although they don't seem to be actually using it that much at the moment, they wouldn't be cut off from space.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by madsbuch »

somenameforme wrote: post #10
amq wrote: post #6

Original source: https://kz24.news/news/ekonomika/arest-rossiyskogo-imuschest... Source on the Russian side: https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2023/03/13/kazahstan-arestoval-im...

Auto translation of the original source: --- The Bailiffs' Service of the Republic of Kazakhstan informs that the property of TsENKI (Center for the Operation of Ground-based Space Infrastructure), located in Kazakhstan, has been seized. The company, which is a subsidiary of the state-owned Roscosmos, is prohibited from withdrawing material assets and assets from Kazakhstan. The travel ban has also been extended to t…

I don't find it appropriate to reproduce the material here, when it is readily available and everybody using this site know how to use a transalte service to translate a website.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by selimthegrim »

fredoralive wrote: post #15
cozzyd wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very nice. I guess Russia's lease on Baikonur is until 2050. I wonder what happens if it's not renewed...

Russia has now built a launch site inside Russia (Vostochny Cosmodrome), in its far east. Although they don't seem to be actually using it that much at the moment, they wouldn't be cut off from space.

I think the trajectories from there are nowhere as good as Baikonur

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by joseftexas »

hadlock wrote: post #8

This apparently is a building/warehouse valued under $30 million that was under construction and never completed, never paid for. It is inside the boundary line of the cosmodrome which makes it notable, but this does not impact space operations for Russia directly. However it's not like they just seized a Soyuz rocket or crates of rocket engines, or even a train load of rocket fuel and they're holding it in lieu of p…

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Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by potatototoo99 »

madsbuch wrote: post #16
somenameforme wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Auto translation of the original source: --- The Bailiffs' Service of the Republic of Kazakhstan informs that the property of TsENKI (Center for the Operation of Ground-based Space Infrastructure), located in Kazakhstan, has been seized. The company, which is a subsidiary of the state-owned Roscosmos, is prohibited from withdrawing material assets and assets from Kazakhstan. The travel ban has also been extended to t…

I don't find it appropriate to reproduce the material here, when it is readily available and everybody using this site know how to use a transalte service to translate a website.

The original article was also readily available, should it not have been shared here?
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