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Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by pk-protect-ai »

cozzyd wrote: post #13
hadlock wrote: post #8

This apparently is a building/warehouse valued under $30 million that was under construction and never completed, never paid for. It is inside the boundary line of the cosmodrome which makes it notable, but this does not impact space operations for Russia directly. However it's not like they just seized a Soyuz rocket or crates of rocket engines, or even a train load of rocket fuel and they're holding it in lieu of p…

Very nice. I guess Russia's lease on Baikonur is until 2050. I wonder what happens if it's not renewed...

I do not believe russians will want or need to get into space until 2050, because the economy of this country is screwed and electronics tech-stack is dependent on global market to deliver required chips... Needless to say the window of opportunity to receive the electronic components is closing. They can't run a space program on gray market deliveries.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by pk-protect-ai »

qsort wrote: post #30
qikInNdOutReply wrote: post #19

Thats what happens, when all you got to hold the band together is terror instead of soft power. Everyone just quits at the first sign of weakness.

I was thinking about the same thing a few days ago. One of the most interesting takeaways from this war is how soft power is very underrated, and lack of any soft power whatsoever is one of the reasons behind Russia's problems.

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Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by reaperducer »

vbezhenar wrote: post #7
idontwantthis wrote: post #3

Is this real or not? Many articles all pointing to this domain which is currently down.

Sources are sketchy. Those sources I've found report that Kazakhstani bailiffs put an arrest to Russian property (basically they can't move it out of the country) and forbade some manager to leave country as well. I'm not sure if English meaning of word seizure includes those actions, I thought that seizure is more like expropriation and that's not what happening here. I think that's not serious. It's either some pol…

While Kazakhstan is not fully supporting Russia, turning away from it seems like an economic suicide.

How so?

60% of the Kazahk economy is from oil and gas.† It's not like it's exporting that stuff to Russia.

† https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan#/media/File:Kazakhs...

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by jnsaff2 »

qikInNdOutReply wrote: post #19

Thats what happens, when all you got to hold the band together is terror instead of soft power. Everyone just quits at the first sign of weakness.

You are not alone in this observation https://twitter.com/MarkGaleotti/status/1633012168038785024

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by jnsaff2 »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #32
qsort wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking about the same thing a few days ago. One of the most interesting takeaways from this war is how soft power is very underrated, and lack of any soft power whatsoever is one of the reasons behind Russia's problems.

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I'm not saying you are wrong but why stop here? Why are the ruling guys stupid? Why do stupid guys get to rule?

I also am not sure stupidity is binary or all encompassing. I think they must be doing something right to be rulers to a country. Why do russian citizen take it? Maybe that's where stupid is the final answer, but maybe not.

As for international relations, I am more and more coming to the conclusion that everyone tries to project their own logic to others and being mostly wrong about it.

russia does not work according to the logic that France and Germany want to project onto it.

China does not work according to the logic US and Germany want to project onto it.

US and EU don't work according to the logic China and russia want to project onto it.

Ukraine does not work like EU, US and muscovy project their logic onto it.

etc etc etc

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by madsbuch »

potatototoo99 wrote: post #20
madsbuch wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't find it appropriate to reproduce the material here, when it is readily available and everybody using this site know how to use a transalte service to translate a website.

The original article was also readily available, should it not have been shared here?

Not verbatim which might in fact be illegal.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #35
pk-protect-ai wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'm not saying you are wrong but why stop here? Why are the ruling guys stupid? Why do stupid guys get to rule? I also am not sure stupidity is binary or all encompassing. I think they must be doing something right to be rulers to a country. Why do russian citizen take it? Maybe that's where stupid is the final answer, but maybe not. As for international relations, I am more and more coming to the conclusion that eve…

This seems to be a weakspot of alot of ideological groups in the west(left/right) but also in the east(ccp), the assumption that one can just "sing" a version of reality into beeing by loudness. What is usually archieved is a placation act, by which the lower status parties involved pretends to kotau, but then gets on with its own life in its own style, with the calmed priesthood.

Its a very strange state of affairs. For objective, measurable scientific reality to be experienced, this process is completely orthogonal. Its better to know what is, even if unpleasant or stressfull, then only to find out at the breaking point?

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by throwaway4good »

qikInNdOutReply wrote: post #19

Thats what happens, when all you got to hold the band together is terror instead of soft power. Everyone just quits at the first sign of weakness.

I think it is a misunderstanding to think Russia holds no soft power in Kazakhstan.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by culebron21 »

reaperducer wrote: post #33
vbezhenar wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sources are sketchy. Those sources I've found report that Kazakhstani bailiffs put an arrest to Russian property (basically they can't move it out of the country) and forbade some manager to leave country as well. I'm not sure if English meaning of word seizure includes those actions, I thought that seizure is more like expropriation and that's not what happening here. I think that's not serious. It's either some pol…

While Kazakhstan is not fully supporting Russia, turning away from it seems like an economic suicide. How so? 60% of the Kazahk economy is from oil and gas.† It's not like it's exporting that stuff to Russia. † https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan#/media/File:Kazakhs...

but 40% of import is. I live in KZ and in a recent talk my fellow Russian expats mentioned this topic. I checked what items in my rented apartment are made in Russia. Except clothes, shoes and computer devices and furniture, which is produced locally, everything in the kitchen is from Russia: tea, porriges, tools (like plastic funnel, which is even from Moscow!), even a can of salt is from there. Just 2-3 were not from RU.

For example, IKEA stores in Russia ordered furniture by their designs from local makers. This was imported in KZ. Now they're gone, and IKEA items are either brought from Turkey, or the Russian factories started making something roughly similar, but it's not branded/quality controlled.

Some imports (from China or even Turkey) went via Russian logistics as well, and only the last year started to be re-routed.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by baybal2 »

cozzyd wrote: post #13
hadlock wrote: post #8

This apparently is a building/warehouse valued under $30 million that was under construction and never completed, never paid for. It is inside the boundary line of the cosmodrome which makes it notable, but this does not impact space operations for Russia directly. However it's not like they just seized a Soyuz rocket or crates of rocket engines, or even a train load of rocket fuel and they're holding it in lieu of p…

Very nice. I guess Russia's lease on Baikonur is until 2050. I wonder what happens if it's not renewed...

The land there is leased, but Russia have to pay annual fees for property of Kazakhstan on the territory separately.

Cases of Kazakhstan seizing something there because of late utilities payment happened before.

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