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IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by mardifoufs »

justeleblanc wrote: post #221
mardifoufs wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it has, when compared to GPS or even GLONASS. https://insidegnss.com/galileo-logs-a-5-hour-timing-related-... https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/galileo-accident/

The second link is the major outage I'm talking about, yes. The first one is indeed significant, but to call it an outage is a stretch. You're linking to some blogspam that is basically [copying the official statement]( https://www.gsc-europa.eu/news/galileo-nominal-service-resto... ). To link that without linking to the [follow-up explanation]( https://www.gsc-europa.eu/news/further-information-on-the-ev... ) is, we…

Ah that would make sense! I wonder though, is my perception of Galileo as being less reliable accurate? Or are those issues normal for GPS too? My (probably ignorant) understanding was that the structure of the Galileo program made it inherently more brittle, considering how the first major outage went down.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by Ekaros »

0xDEF wrote: post #17
sys42590 wrote: post #5

Sounds fantastic, but if we look at the history of the EU's Galileo GNSS [0], massive delays can be expected. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

There was little demand for non-GPS satnav. There is plenty of demand for non-Musk satcom.

Do we need satcom if we have good enough terrestrial communications? EU is reasonably densely populated. So why just not go with simpler and maybe even cheaper terrestrial solutions?

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by peterashford »

dotnet00 wrote: post #277
Deukhoofd wrote: post #62

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It's honestly got to the point where I barely open comments related to EU projects any more. While most of the time there's somewhat nuanced discussions in comments, once the EU gets mentioned for some reason most of the comments basically boil down to "EU bad, US better", and "Big government bad", completely ignoring the actual contents of what the post it about.

Not all too different from Europeans smugly commenting about how crazy Americans are for having different priorities in threads that happen to relate to American issues.

As a third party (New Zealander), I don't think that's correct. I think the US criticism of EU is much more often baseless compared to the reverse situation (as evidenced by the number of issues which are picked up by the residents of non aligned countries).

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by m4rtink »

abudabi123 wrote: post #225
Deukhoofd wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's honestly got to the point where I barely open comments related to EU projects any more. While most of the time there's somewhat nuanced discussions in comments, once the EU gets mentioned for some reason most of the comments basically boil down to "EU bad, US better", and "Big government bad", completely ignoring the actual contents of what the post it about.

the comments basically boil down to "EU bad, US better" Nothing stops the EU from landing a probe on the surface of Mars, successfully.

Outside of the whole issue of Russia invading Ukraine instead of launching the damn thing like they were supposed to:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Franklin_(rover)

Oh well, one way to avoid it crashing I guess. ;-)

Still, Europe being responsible for Mars having two Shapirelli craters is cool as well. ;-)

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by peterashford »

permo-w wrote: post #289
alright_scowl wrote: post #248

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Forgive me for not taking their opinion about an economic block that they don't seem to understand and that their country doesn't belong to very seriously.

if I was suggesting that they're right to criticise the EU, I would have said that. what I was suggesting was that "America number 1, everyone else turds" is an extremely normal and expected attitude for a lot of Americans, and not something that I would describe as "odd". you seem to have read it differently

I guess the question is, is that level of response what one would expect or hope for in a forum like HN? Maybe we could aspire to a better level of discourse?

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by wafngar »

988747 wrote: post #242
alright_scowl wrote: post #160

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The odd part is that these bad takes seem to typically come from people that don't even live the EU, and don't understand how it works. They just don't like that it exists.

I live in the EU, understand how it works, and that's why I hate it, and I want my country out of it ASAP :)

What concrete advantage would it have for you?

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by wafngar »

TheNotToo wrote: post #287
weberer wrote: post #276

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Its actually higher than in the UK. https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?con...

I see Sweden the "utopia" that some claim has even higher inflation than UK, I guess that must be because of Brexit too right? And Italy, the land of the great food?

The UK would do much better had they not chosen Brexit. Basically everyone here admits that (bank of England etc) apart from some zealot politicians. And the health system has collapsed. The problems are not solely caused by Brexit but it exacerbates nearly all of them.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by adolph »

With the war, Ukraine needed satellite telecommunications, but the EU didn’t have something to offer. Ukraine should not have to rely on the whims of Elon Musk to defend their people.

What a weird reason to undertake such a project. Ukraine isn’t an EU member.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by jevgeni »

wcoenen wrote: post #205
frankreyes wrote: post #138

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It's not that simple. Because enemy nation states also have their own satellites. They will just be damaging their own infrastructure, specially Russia with their huge land to cover they need their satellites.

I think these things would happen as a result of a process of escalations, not as a result of rational decisions. Perhaps one side temporarily blinds a spy satellite with a laser[1], to prevent it from observing something sensitive. Then the other side reacts by blinding another satellite in the same way, but oops, the laser was a bit too powerful and it does permanent damage to the sensors. Then a single satellite i…

So the solution is to either do nothing, or do something that the russians will have even less trouble destroying?
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