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Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by voxl »

colpabar wrote: post #87
Workaccount2 wrote: post #71

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I'm not denying the accident was bad, I'm tempering an unwarranted level of hysteria for what is another small scale industrial accident. People are drumming up hysteria for political capital, but its not fair to people who live in Ohio or Pennsylvania and now think they can't use their water, they're doomed to cancer at 45, and their kids will be mutants. It's being blown way of of proportion to the reality of it. I…

> People are drumming up hysteria for political capital, but its not fair to people who live in Ohio or Pennsylvania and now think they can't use their water, they're doomed to cancer at 45, and their kids will be mutants. Can you show me a single comment on this website and not on reddit that is saying those things? Also, did you know that the EPA also said that all the dust in the air on 9/11 was perfectly safe? I…

This website is not the only place discussing this matter, and it is a strawman to continue requiring any evidence of public outcry be limited to specifically this website. Moreover, reddit is not the only other place discussing this. There are hundreds of videos on TikTok from people in Ohio that are saying this is a horrible disaster on par with Chernobyl.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by JKCalhoun »

nimbius wrote: post #94
grecy wrote: post #48

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> which can cause headaches, nausea, and respiratory problems.... can make people dizzy and drowsy I also love this phrasing that talks about the immediate uncomfortable reactions, but makes no mention on the extremely serious long-term implications of exposure. These chemicals won't just make you feel unpleasant in the moment, they'll kill you in the long run.

> can make people dizzy and drowsy LMFAO vinyl chloride is a multi-organ carcinogen...its literally one of the quickest ways to stage 4 right up there with Benzene exposure. phosgene was also part of the release when Ohio decided a "controlled burn" of the vinyl chloride was somehow a good idea. the plume could be seen from commercial flights. honest to god the damage control media outlets are attempting in the midst…

> the damage control media outlets are attempting

That suggests intent. While I am as cynical as the next person I wouldn't make a claim like that without also citing evidence to back it up.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by pessimizer »

realce wrote: post #122
petesergeant wrote: post #91

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So you're saying that being concerned with the massive corporate attack on the health of innocent people is actually Chinese propaganda? And one of your "sources" is a post liked 3k times in a nation of over 1 billion people?

And the fact that it was "liked" by Chinese people silently used to imply that it's obviously evil. It may be that Chinese people are not stupid, and that the Chinese government has no desire to censor the smart things that Chinese people say that are also supportive of China.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by MockObject »

unethical_ban wrote: post #103
thepasswordis wrote: post #88

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In theory, I don't see government ownership of society-critical industries with no opportunity for competition to be crazy. Tell me how you'd spin up a competing national rail line network.

The craziness appears when you realize that US governments are no more accountable than US corporations. Nobody lost their job over 9/11, or the Afghanistan pullout, or any other debacle you can name from the past few decades. Charges were dropped against the low level jail guards who allowed Jeff Epstein to die; Acosta resigned as Labor Secretary only due to public outcry and 12 years later.

Responsibility is a quaint tradition of a lost America.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by commandlinefan »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #134
petesergeant wrote: post #91

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I don't think that's what he's saying - but rather that Chinese-controlled media is blowing this out of proportion to distract you from the chinese spy balloon story (reserving judgment whether this is actually the case - it's plausible, but would still be surprising - I just think that's what OP is trying to say, not that the balloon itself had anything to do with the derailment).

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by jakelazaroff »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #128
Julesman wrote: post #108

I see a lot of these responses starting with "The reason." I don't see many people talking about institutional bias. I don't see a lot of people talking about this disaster getting no coverage while the media is stuck on shooting down balloons. I don't see many people talking about the fact that if this was anywhere close to wealthy people that it would have been headline news. I don't see many talking about the abso…

> don't see a lot of people talking about this disaster getting no coverage Oh my god this is the only thing people are talking about. Please don’t do this. Let’s talk about the actual disaster instead of spinning up another useless whirlpool of meta-debate.

No it’s not? There’s one measly story way down past the fold on the NYT homepage.

It’s nowhere on the Washington Post, Wall Street Journal or USA Today homepages (I cmd+F’d).

There’s a tiny clip on the left of the Fox News homepage that’s tangentially about it but really about Tomi Lahren bashing Pete Buttigieg.

The most prominent is the New York Post, which has a headline about it being “worse than feared” after a bunch of scrolling past stories about Kathy Hochul banning gas stoves and Emily Ratajkowski hanging out with Eric André.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by yebyen »

xadhominemx wrote: post #132
nimbius wrote: post #94

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> can make people dizzy and drowsy LMFAO vinyl chloride is a multi-organ carcinogen...its literally one of the quickest ways to stage 4 right up there with Benzene exposure. phosgene was also part of the release when Ohio decided a "controlled burn" of the vinyl chloride was somehow a good idea. the plume could be seen from commercial flights. honest to god the damage control media outlets are attempting in the midst…

> LMFAO vinyl chloride is a multi-organ carcinogen...its literally one of the quickest ways to stage 4 right up there with Benzene exposure. No it’s not

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/s...

> Vinyl chloride exposure is associated with an increased risk of a rare form of liver cancer (hepatic angiosarcoma), as well as primary liver cancer (hepatocellular carcinoma), brain and lung cancers, lymphoma, and leukemia.

If there's some fact in the parent comment which is in dispute could you please be a bit more clear about what it is? This is a very unhelpful comment from you.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by colpabar »

steviedotboston wrote: post #89
shadowgovt wrote: post #80

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The reason people are so upset is because they watched a smoke plume reach all the way to the cloud layer. That's it. That's the whole story. The average citizen's grasp of the medical risks of chemicals is basically negligible. But a smoke plume that reaches all the way to the cloud layer makes everyone ask questions about things they didn't care about 3 weeks ago.

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Can you please please please take a moment and really be honest with yourself and think about how you and the rest of the mainstream media would be responding to this if pete was a republican appointed by a republican president
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