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Excluding otherworldly forms of speculation about why possible aliens are visiting us, this subject really boils down to four tangible questions about how we arrived at this footage and the eyewitness accounts from Fravor et al: - Is it aliens? - If not, do these sightings represent real unexplainable technological phenomena (advanced propulsion technology)? - If not, are the eyewitness accounts credible? - In any ca…
Spoiler. It’s never aliens
I worked on stealth aircraft that would occasionally cause civilian UFO reports. It was common for the reports to mention that these UFOs maneuvered unlike any man-made aircraft, which was always a good chuckle because they were usually just flying straight or banking normally. However when seasoned military pilots like Fravor speak on the matter, I listen. When a bunch of them speak about the same incident, I take t…
I want a whole group of scientists to investigate the evidence. I don't trust the military or Congress since they're happy to spend money on ESP or telekinesis studies and still not be able to reach a conclusion. Military pilots have mistaken Venus as a UAF. I can't just trust an eyewitness account of something fishy as evidence for exterrestrial beings visiting us with faster than light speed vehicles.
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We've only known about quantum mechanics for around 100 years. Why do you think we've discovered everything there is to know about physics? That's just hubris. The 'entirety of history' is meaningless since we don't really know what happened in the past.
You take the word of few random soldiers and some output of some devices over accumulated effort of generations of scientists who brought us all of technology and you accuse others of hubris? It's quite a hubris to say that something is evidence of violation of known laws of physics on the basis of personal direct observation and output of devices that you find trustworthy only because known laws of physics do work a…
The word you're clinging to is "known". We've been spectacularly wrong in the past (the sun orbited the earth, which was flat, etc.).
As for history, there's no reason to suspect they would have made their presence known in any undoubtable manner. They may have been here just to observe.
> Every observation that we ever managed to explain was explained by something else than magic or aliens.
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” Clarke
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Supernatural (adj): (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature. Something CAN be real and beyond current scientific understanding.
> Something CAN be real and beyond current scientific understanding I think you're reading that wrong. "Beyond scientific understanding" doesn't mean "beyond current scientific understanding", it actually means, "beyond any possible scientific understanding". So a supernatural phenomenon would defeat any possible attempt at characterizing it scientifically.
It is true hubris and actually kind of sad to think we know all laws of nature and nothing new could stump us and our cherished laws of nature.
Also, read my other comments. Science is about explaining the previously unexplainable. So nothing, no phenomena you sense with your senses, is beyond science.
Excluding otherworldly forms of speculation about why possible aliens are visiting us, this subject really boils down to four tangible questions about how we arrived at this footage and the eyewitness accounts from Fravor et al: - Is it aliens? - If not, do these sightings represent real unexplainable technological phenomena (advanced propulsion technology)? - If not, are the eyewitness accounts credible? - In any ca…
> - In any case, why is the DoD letting eyewitnesses go public? It seems there is a lot of pressure from high-up in the government to release at least old-enough footage of UAP, given the recent releases of UAP footage[0,1]. 0: https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/216571... 1: https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3491437-watch-n...
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It’s weird, given the premise of seeing something alien, that you would assume properties of their propulsion or which emmissions they are making. Sure, if the thing is some new earth tech or natural phenomena there are plenty of assumptions you can make. But in the face of something else?
The point is that you can make any number of stories about aliens trying to explain the phenomenon, and there would be some that would be way more believable then some object breaking pretty well established known physical laws with the only explanation that "aliens have ADVANCED SCIENCE" For example, Aliens living among us for a while, undetected, and having the ability to place false memories in peoples heads becau…
Also you act like the science and the laws are settled but we all know science doesn't work like that. New discoveries happen all the time its that for the laws of physics those changes don't happen often.
What laws of physics revelations will the next Newton or Einstein offer us?
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There’s also a history of humans not being able to accept something radically different when being presented evidence of it. In this case, that appears to be happening to you. Please, just stay out of this conversation. Let the real scientists like Gary Nolan and Avi Loeb continue to investigate this subject as they please. Whatever this phenomenon ends up being, your opinions are not going to help us find that out.
UFOs are not radically different idea with recent evidence. It's literally more than half a century old secular religion which "evidence" for never panned out into anything or were thoroughly debunked. Gary Nolan and Avi Loeb will die of old age before they can deliver actual proof of alien technology exactly as every scientist and layman did so far. If they explain those artifacts it won't be aliens. That's just my…
I worked on stealth aircraft that would occasionally cause civilian UFO reports. It was common for the reports to mention that these UFOs maneuvered unlike any man-made aircraft, which was always a good chuckle because they were usually just flying straight or banking normally. However when seasoned military pilots like Fravor speak on the matter, I listen. When a bunch of them speak about the same incident, I take t…
Fravor admitted to UFO pranks in the 90s (gliding over camp fires and then turning on afterburners). Some were found reported on UFO forums at the time.
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We've only known about quantum mechanics for around 100 years. Why do you think we've discovered everything there is to know about physics? That's just hubris. The 'entirety of history' is meaningless since we don't really know what happened in the past.
You take the word of few random soldiers and some output of some devices over accumulated effort of generations of scientists who brought us all of technology and you accuse others of hubris? It's quite a hubris to say that something is evidence of violation of known laws of physics on the basis of personal direct observation and output of devices that you find trustworthy only because known laws of physics do work a…
It's hilarious how you assume that the summary of the collective ideas of scientists today know everything that is physically possible when there are many examples throughout history where the collective understanding of physics has been wrong and it takes unique individuals to prove them wrong.
There is data to suggest the objects are moving at speeds that defy our current understanding of physics. There's no reason to not keep following the data.
Mick West's breakdowns of the Pentagon UAP videos was the nail in the coffin of this era of UFO hype for me. https://youtu.be/Le7Fqbsrrm8?t=665 These were supposed to be the smoking gun evidence. UFO believers inside the DoD and as high up as US Senators fought for years to get them declassified. As soon as they were public, they were all quickly identified as sensor glare, bokeh, or mis-understood perspective. More…
The second one is much later, from a time I was obsessed with UFOs, and I don't know if I really saw it or it was a dream. It just bothers me so much that I can't recollect if it was all a dream or not and that I've had this memory for so long.