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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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I mean, sure, but Occam's razor probably applies, no? Seems more likely that people occasionally misidentify something or hallucinate something or similar, than that there are interplanetary travelers who have both FTL travel and perfect cloaking abilities who come to earth, turn them off just long enough to fuck with a couple of people, then turn them back on and fly off.

Do people generally randomly hallucinate things? We don't get reports of flying spaghetti monsters. Only shiny craft in the sky. Perhaps people only hallucinate things that are on a certain level socially-acceptable to hallucinate?

Well, I don't think "lights in the sky" are a particular socially acceptable thing to hallucinate; I'm not sure seeing things that others don't believe were there is ever particularly socially acceptable. But it's still pretty common. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/hallucinations-wha...

As to "why shiny craft in the sky", we get patterns of light in the -vast- majority of situations. We have an optical system trained by millions of years to recognize patterns; throw in any sort of stimuli that doesn't fit the expected patterns, and our minds will still try and categorize it.

What you'll note we're not seeing are detailed craft with any sort of definition to them. As you say, no flying spaghetti monsters, but also not even something more complicated than an orb or a disk. Not even an orb with a decal on it. Not even as described, let alone the photo/videos. Just light and reflections. Even the Chinese surveillance balloon had more texture to it in its images and descriptions, and you'd at least think we'd have seen a spacecraft with some branding or customization, the equivalent of a Spitfire's Roundels or a shark's mouth decal or an identifier a la NCC-1701.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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I can't believe this meme still works in 2023.

To those that haven't worked it out yet: Stories about UFOs act as a cover for what is a very sensible, ordinary and legitimate activity: maintaining secrecy around capabilities of spy craft. It provides cover by making in-credible any revelation by local residents and so on of actual probably very ordinary and boring aircraft capabilities. It lets their actual capabilities "fly under the radar" so to speak when you play up whimsical capabilities.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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> However, just this past week, a Chinese surveillance balloon shut down air traffic across the United States.

Untrue. The shutdown of air traffic was due to a glitch in FAA's NOTAM system.

It's when events get conflated like this that Chinese allegations of a coordinated media attack gain cred.

Stopped reading there.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Excluding otherworldly forms of speculation about why possible aliens are visiting us, this subject really boils down to four tangible questions about how we arrived at this footage and the eyewitness accounts from Fravor et al: - Is it aliens? - If not, do these sightings represent real unexplainable technological phenomena (advanced propulsion technology)? - If not, are the eyewitness accounts credible? - In any ca…

> - In any case, why is the DoD letting eyewitnesses go public?

It seems there is a lot of pressure from high-up in the government to release at least old-enough footage of UAP, given the recent releases of UAP footage[0,1].

0: https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/216571...

1: https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3491437-watch-n...

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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> Objects demonstrating extreme capabilities routinely fly over our military facilities and training ranges. We don’t know what they are, and we are unable to mitigate their presence. Occams Razor suggests that if these objects appear almost exclusively over US military facilities and US military training ranges, they're most likely operated by the US military. (Sorry to the Navy pilot whose security clearance is too…

One would imagine if someone in the 90s saw a Blackbird aircraft, would assume it's an unidentified body. Yet it is just not unclassified. Imagine the tech the RAF has now that will be unveiled in 20 years

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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What's antisemitic from my words? But you're correct: people see patterns, like me or you, and they're often wrong, but not always. The truth lurks in there somewhere. But that was just my theory based on personal experience and observation. I'm not interested in political, religious or racial discussions.

These are all tropes about (((JEWS)) historically, ((NEW WORLD ORDER) is ((JEWS)). It's thinly veiled stuff to a lot of people. Coincidental here I'm sure, but it can raise the hackles. Especially 'secret fraternities', makes you think freemasons etc often used pejoratively by anti semites. Just shedding some light here not making any accusations.

But he didn‘t use any of these words. It‘s you who reacts to a stereotype here, instantly connecting „secret worldwide control group“ with „of jewish faith“ or something - in your head. Not that I would follow the OPs opinion. Yes to smokescreens, corruption and instilling fear in people to control them. Only I think that we are not yet there, development-wise, for a group that could plan this deliberately. Ideology and power dynamics work by themselves, especially in the lawless secret services of this world (and I mean all of them, there are no good ones).

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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I'll take the other side of this argument since Occams Razor may not be the tool for the job of understanding or characterizing these phenomena. Since there are numerous reports spanning decades and even dating to the 19th century, before manned flight, and these reports come from all over the globe and the descriptions involve similar events and very similar observations between widely spaced events then it follows…

What UFO reports predate the invention of flight?

Start from the top of the list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reported_UFO_sightings

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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post #214

> Objects demonstrating extreme capabilities routinely fly over our military facilities and training ranges. We don’t know what they are, and we are unable to mitigate their presence. Occams Razor suggests that if these objects appear almost exclusively over US military facilities and US military training ranges, they're most likely operated by the US military. (Sorry to the Navy pilot whose security clearance is too…

I'll take the other side of this argument since Occams Razor may not be the tool for the job of understanding or characterizing these phenomena. Since there are numerous reports spanning decades and even dating to the 19th century, before manned flight, and these reports come from all over the globe and the descriptions involve similar events and very similar observations between widely spaced events then it follows…

>Since there are numerous reports spanning decades and even dating to the 19th century, before manned flight,

Manned flight dates to 1783, and engine-powered flight to 1851. Did you mean heavier-than-air flight?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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The military budget of the rest of NATO combined is much smaller than that of the US. ... Why would aliens be interested?

My guess is if there was aliens they would be so totally disinterested in us they wouldn’t even distinguish between military and civilian. Just zipping around taking their measurements of the mineral deposits.

You have nothing to back that up and your gut goes against the closest thing we have to evidence...

If I was an alien race sending probes far and wide I would absolutely focus my attention on hotspots of military presence rather than the relatively benign nature and civilian existence.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Exactly. [redacted, i was wrong]

Dude. Loosen the tinfoil, it's affecting blood circulation to your brain. If you spend three seconds looking at the URL, you'll figure out why the CIA hosts it. But here, I'll make it easy: https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/index.html

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