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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by swexbe »

poulpy123 wrote: post #739
dtx1 wrote: post #708

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When the US Government tells the world that North Korea has exploded a nuclear weapon than i can neither directly measure that myself nor do I have access to the data where and how the US Government knows that happens. Yet we all collectively believe that to be true. The Nimitz incident falls under the same category. I don't know what that was but the "debunking" by Mick West simply ignores most of the little evidenc…

> When the US Government tells the world that North Korea has exploded a nuclear weapon We do have the proof that North Korea and nuclear weapons exists. The US government could be lying about the tests like it lied about iraqis WMD but 1/ there are other sources 2/ its in the domain of plausability anyway. At the reverse, alien origin of UFO relies on unproved and impossible facts: 1/ the existence of life outside e…

Who said anything about aliens?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by naasking »

crispyambulance wrote: post #365
PaulRobinson wrote: post #318

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This comment - interesting though it is - has irked me. To me it's sometimes amazing the lengths people will go to in order to insist something they can't believe must be because another party is at best mistaken, or at worst lying. The article states that UAP were likely - in the view of the author who is speaking from personal experience and knowledge of incidents and people involved - witnessed by 50-60 people "ev…

> ...so go look at the "tic-tac" videos again, and wonder why highly trained aviators who are used to seeing weird weather and foreign aircraft and drones all the time are now constantly saying "this is not normal". Those videos are getting old now. If there was something to this stuff and it were really as commonplace as folks are saying we would be seeing much better imagery (at least) by now. Not to mention the fa…

> If there was something to this stuff and it were really as commonplace as folks are saying we would be seeing much better imagery (at least) by now.

If you don't understand a phenomenon then you have basis upon which to speculate under what conditions you will or will not see it, and thus make any statistical guesses about the probability of detecting it. Ball lightning still has no direct evidence but plenty of indirect evidence.

> Not to mention the fact that this stuff would not be limited to American military observers.

You mean like these:

* https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a34061578...

* https://www.the-sun.com/news/3048770/ufos-china-un-beijing-p...

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by naasking »

bsder wrote: post #348
pmarreck wrote: post #182

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> I wonder how much some of these unidentified phenomena might be checked for some similar effects. come on, man. at some point, after enough of these reports, toeing the line you're toeing starts to look ludicrous. these are trained observers, pilots who know what to expect in the sky. and do not take lightly that there is still a certain amount of embarrassment (a social cost) to even coming forward, so to even mak…

How long did it take until we confrimed ball lightning and the weird things it does? And then how much longer until we have an explanation? Weird shit exists. Shrug. However, eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable. We know and have proved this over and over and over. The "problem" with pilots is that getting marked as "mentally unstable" can get you grounded. So, do you report every strange thing you think you…

> How long did it take until we confrimed ball lightning and the weird things it does?

We still don't have direct evidence of ball lightning, but it's taken seriously nonetheless. The comparison is apt here.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by naasking »

nprateem wrote: post #330
tarkin2 wrote: post #80

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This assumes the advancements can give a significant military advantage, through cost of production and overall military effectiveness. And that the behaviour of other countries could be a problem to the manufacturing country--trade and cooperation etc. And if the advancements are used for spying then of course they'll be kept quiet for as long as possible. Showing your cards early, even if you think they're good, ma…

They say on the nimitz video there's a whole fleet of them. This kind of tech could only come from a superpower, and you really think they wouldn't brag about it?

> This kind of tech could only come from a superpower, and you really think they wouldn't brag about it?

They would not. How long were stealth bombers a closely held secret? If these are craft, then they are far beyond even that.

Once you know something is possible, you're halfway to solving it. If other nations knew the US had some fantastical tech, they would up their espionage and research efforts around the specific characteristics they've seen and quickly reproduce it.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by scotty79 »

likeabbas wrote: post #750
scotty79 wrote: post #710

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I'm basically saying this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml There's a history of scientists being fooled by supernatural claims. There are even some Nobel laureates that after success in science as they get older they go straight to cookooland. Heck, even Newton who achieved much in his youth when he got older he went completely bananas. Being a scientist doesn't guard you against getting f…

There’s also a history of humans not being able to accept something radically different when being presented evidence of it. In this case, that appears to be happening to you. Please, just stay out of this conversation. Let the real scientists like Gary Nolan and Avi Loeb continue to investigate this subject as they please. Whatever this phenomenon ends up being, your opinions are not going to help us find that out.

UFOs are not radically different idea with recent evidence. It's literally more than half a century old secular religion which "evidence" for never panned out into anything or were thoroughly debunked.

Gary Nolan and Avi Loeb will die of old age before they can deliver actual proof of alien technology exactly as every scientist and layman did so far. If they explain those artifacts it won't be aliens. That's just my opinion. Please keep it at the back of your mind for the rest of your life.

From now on I'm staying out of this particular conversation.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by naasking »

belter wrote: post #414

- 40,000 to 70,000 Amateur Astronomers, scan the skies every night, with precision instruments capable to distinguish Jupiter atmosphere bands. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - About 500 observatories in the world, most of which are located in the Northern hemisphere study nightly stars, galaxies, planets and other celestial objects. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - By some rough est…

I notice you keep saying "hardly any notice these phenomena", which is a tacit agreement that some do notice these phenomena and that therefore there's some phenomenon to explain. As long as we can all agree that there's something here that needs an explanation then that's fine.

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Post by naasking »

pyuser583 wrote: post #599
tshaddox wrote: post #521

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Do what now? Those things you listed aren’t actually optical illusions, are they? Pretty sure the sky is actually blue.

There’s nothing in the sky that’s actually blue. You won’t get blue stains on an aircraft. It’s because of weird radiation thing that happens in many contexts. Including the irises of people with “blue” (transparent) eyes.

I think you have a very weird way of thinking about colour. Saying the sky is blue is no different than saying the ocean is blue. Water doesn't look blue when you get something wet either, and yet the ocean is blue.

A "weird radiation thing" is exactly how colour works.

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Post by scotty79 »

nprateem wrote: post #768
scotty79 wrote: post #707

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Why do you assume aliens are here (or their tech) ? The evidence against aliens here is just the entirety of physics and history. I consider it to be extraordinary.

We've only known about quantum mechanics for around 100 years. Why do you think we've discovered everything there is to know about physics? That's just hubris. The 'entirety of history' is meaningless since we don't really know what happened in the past.

You take the word of few random soldiers and some output of some devices over accumulated effort of generations of scientists who brought us all of technology and you accuse others of hubris?

It's quite a hubris to say that something is evidence of violation of known laws of physics on the basis of personal direct observation and output of devices that you find trustworthy only because known laws of physics do work as formulated.

As for history we know for sure that aliens didn't made their presence know in any undoubtable manner in at least few thousands of years.

Every observation that we ever managed to explain was explained by something else than magic or aliens.

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Post by mikrotikker »

mlindner wrote: post #714
Daz1 wrote: post #601

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Patently untrue, learning to identify aircraft by shape for both IFF and situational awareness purposes is standard.

So you can pick out the type of an aircraft against a black sky at night only by it's wing lights? I said _by sight_ in my comment and that was important.

Clouds, reflections of the moon, etc are things that happen at night. It doesn't have to be against a black sky.
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