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Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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THE DEFAULT IS "please don't hit on me right now"

If that's true, then the only way to let a woman know you're interested in her is after she has first told you. But that's a horrible way to make room for different personality types. Some women are assertive. Some are less so. Should the more reserved women just stay single?

> If that's true, then the only way to let a woman know you're interested in her is after she has first told you.

And that doesn't happen, so...

The real point seems to be to scare away men who can be scared away from ever attempting this.

Then only dominant/aggressive ones will do so. And they're seemingly the ones women want, so...

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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Unsettled how many HN readers think this is OK. Please think deeply about this situation, using your systems thinking, to see why this is a really bad trend. It is kind of worse than a single guy joining a yoga class for the same reasons. This is a conspiracy to get lots of men to interfere with the education and success of women to get a date or sex.

I never did such things as these men. Results are pretty predictable, I think.

Are you suggesting that men in general should just give up?

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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> Humans have a remarkable ability to be attracted to one and other, it really takes no effort, as if we naturally evolved to do exactly that or something. Therefore people wanting to but unable are not human, I guess.

Do you know anybody that wants to be attracted to another person and is unable to? I know people have some conditions (such as psychopathy) where they don’t form attraction towards other people, I also know there are people that do form attractions but have a hard time expressing it (such as in autism), however I don’t know of any condition or neuro-diversity which wants to form attractions, but is unable to, that wo…

I meant that other people aren't attracted to them.

You've claimed that it's weird that these men go to these lengths to find partners, because it's supposed to be just natural for them to find them.

It's clearly not.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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Do you know anybody that wants to be attracted to another person and is unable to? I know people have some conditions (such as psychopathy) where they don’t form attraction towards other people, I also know there are people that do form attractions but have a hard time expressing it (such as in autism), however I don’t know of any condition or neuro-diversity which wants to form attractions, but is unable to, that wo…

I meant that other people aren't attracted to them. You've claimed that it's weird that these men go to these lengths to find partners, because it's supposed to be just natural for them to find them. It's clearly not.

I see what you mean. I have no opinion on that, as that doesn’t really matter for the subject at hand.

My main point is that if you go about living a normal live, attend social functions, or just see other people on a regular basis, most people will be attracted to some of the people they meet along the way. What I’m getting at, is there is no skill nor effort needed, nothing needs to be carefully evaluated and planned. These attractions just arise naturally for most people. So altering your life course to maximize some chances of attraction, that is weird.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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post #643

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I meant that other people aren't attracted to them. You've claimed that it's weird that these men go to these lengths to find partners, because it's supposed to be just natural for them to find them. It's clearly not.

I see what you mean. I have no opinion on that, as that doesn’t really matter for the subject at hand. My main point is that if you go about living a normal live, attend social functions, or just see other people on a regular basis, most people will be attracted to some of the people they meet along the way. What I’m getting at, is there is no skill nor effort needed, nothing needs to be carefully evaluated and plann…

Comes off like a rich person ignoring and walking over poor homeless people begging for food. Then when asked about it, has no understanding for how such circumstances could occur nor empathy. This would be willful obliviousness or tone deafness about the circumstances and plight of others.

> ...go about living a normal live, attend social functions, or just see other people on a regular basis, most people will be attracted to some of the people they meet along the way.

It is more of a feminine perspective and privilege to wait and hope random luck will take care of romantic matters, because mostly, males pursue females. Many women are able to get attention, as a matter of biology. Ignorance or purposely ignoring the mechanics of what is occurring in the background, with regard to why this attention exists and how it shapes the dynamics, can lead to distorted and misplaced views.

Furthermore there are clearly great numbers of people (male and female) that are shy, fear rejection or embarrassment, are socially awkward, or at some disadvantage in social settings. To pretend otherwise, seems to be making a concerted effort to remain oblivious.

> What I’m getting at, is there is no skill nor effort needed, nothing needs to be carefully evaluated and planned.

That is not a perspective many others share and when people are specifically and repeatedly saying this is not the case, it's not helpful to blatantly ignore them. For various people, and more so for men, they do need various levels of knowledge, skill, effort, and/or planning.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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> If they're so intelligent and decent, why are they relying on such disturbing tactics to meet women in the first place? Because it's a) Not disturbing, and b) working. I mean, seriously, if they keep their hands to themselves and make no unwanted advances, what exactly do you find indecent about this?

You're in a couple of these threads stanning for these creeps. As a mental exercise: why do you think several of the women are demoralized by this environment if there's nothing going wrong here?

Fortunately we don't have to speculate because the professor herself explains why:

> Some of the young students in my class take up these offers, and this further demoralizes other female students seeing this happen (i.e. only attractive women being offered tutoring sessions).

The more attractive women are receiving all the positive attention, and the others are hurt by this. Which is completely natural, but...welcome to the world. Life is unfair, and being attractive opens doors that aren't available to others. Are people obligated to show equal interest in everyone, regardless of their actual feelings towards them? Men who expect this from women are usually derided (and rightfully so) as "incels".

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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post #645

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I see what you mean. I have no opinion on that, as that doesn’t really matter for the subject at hand. My main point is that if you go about living a normal live, attend social functions, or just see other people on a regular basis, most people will be attracted to some of the people they meet along the way. What I’m getting at, is there is no skill nor effort needed, nothing needs to be carefully evaluated and plann…

Comes off like a rich person ignoring and walking over poor homeless people begging for food. Then when asked about it, has no understanding for how such circumstances could occur nor empathy. This would be willful obliviousness or tone deafness about the circumstances and plight of others. > ...go about living a normal live, attend social functions, or just see other people on a regular basis, most people will be at…

Perhaps you are right, however people that are shy and awkward in a natural setting, won’t they also be shy and awkward in a setting which they have manipulated in their favor? I have my doubts about the success rate of these efforts compared to no-effort.

You are right, I might be the one who is tone deaf here, but I still get a strange vibe from people that do this kind of thing, and personally I think I would feel uncomfortable around them.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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Zuckerberg's case is arguably even worse (though I completely agree otherwise). If I recall he created a way for harvard guys to rate their female peers appearances and had some pretty disparaging comments on the site itself.

that's how it happened in the movie

We know movies are always 100% accurate

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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that's how it happened in the movie

We know movies are always 100% accurate

I haven't seen the movie, I recalled a decent amount of reporting on it back during Cambridge Analytica.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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Because it can be very dehumanizing. "Even in a STEM class, I can't escape being unattractive". At minimum, it'll make me less likely to want to excel. (Been there)

This is the hand they have been dealt. The solution is to detach your motivation and happiness from caring about how you are perceived. Not wishing the real world was complicit in your denial of reality. The only person whose opinion on yourself which holds any weight is your own.

Counterpoint - I've always been unattractive.

One time, me and some other people signed up to volunteer for H4H, to get 1 or 2 college credits, and because it was a cool thing to do, and in my case because I wanted to learn the American way of making houses.

We rebuilt a former crack house. It was actually pretty cool (although I don't much like how American houses are made - they go up fast, but they also are intended to come down in 1 or 2 generations, I'll stick to brick and granite, thanks!). I did my part. Guess who was and wasn't called when it was time to take a picture showcasing all our work. This was before consumer-priced smartphones, so I don't have a picture of that.

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