Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nit: mRNA vaccines were used in human trials for cancer immunotherapy starting in 2001, rabies in 2013, ebola, zika, influenza, cytamegalovirus, etc followed. It's not accurate to say the technology had "never been used in humans before" COVID19; but the US FDA had never approved widespread use of it until then.
> approved widespread use This conflates 'approved' with the ongoing emergency use authorization. Long term studies will help determine if it can be approved for normal use and effectiveness is part of that determination.
Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group
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#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
Important rise, we don’t know why(job loss? stress?, covid?), we don’t talk about mRNA vaccines.
I'll give you my experience with them. I just turned 63 and got the Pfizer vaxx and boosters as early as I could. Honestly, I did not have any side effects at all and neither did my wife. We made a point to take some vitamins and supplements for a few days before getting the shots, but that was all. In Dec 2021 one of our daughters, who refused to get vaxxed, came up for the holidays and tested positive about 5 days…
My aunt got heart problems 3 days after second dose, almost died, dismissed by doctor, unreported.
I saw that a simple procedure (aspiration) would reduce 3X the number of cardiac problem caused by the vaccine (make sure you inject in the muscle not in a vein) they don’t do it even if it take just a few second and even the veterinarian do it on horses.
I also saw how the medical system work from the inside: The pharma own everything, that make the "formation" control the governing bodies. Follow the money explain a lot of what is happening.
The risk/benefit was probably good for the first few variants. Also to get emergency use(absolution from responsibility) they had to have zero other solutions, doctor that found solution got destroyed, the solutions got demolished.
TLDR: it’s complicated
Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group
#263Personally, I don't remember that happening. Do you?
Are there jumps in heart attacks during specific stressful periods in countries throughout the ages too? Not sure.
It would be interesting to see if this is happening in each country.
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#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Unless you believe that all those censored, shadow-banned and deplatformed people are just the conspiracy nuts with lies and fake data? It'd be impossible to make that claim. I couldn't possibly be aware of all of the people who have been censored/shadow-banned/deplatformed for talking about the risks of vaccinations, but I do suspect that the vast majority of them likely were (intentionally or otherwise) spreading…
If you look at the twitter files released by Matt Taibi it indeed confirms there is collusion among former twitter and numerous government entities. It’s no conspiracy, there’s straight emails of the government asking for XYZ list of accounts to be suppressed. https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/dec/14/editorial-t... You further had the suppression of the Hunter biden laptop in DMs and tweets, because governmen…
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#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
How about exposure to actual coronavirus? Most everyone is exposed at least to small degrees on a daily/weekly basis given the levels in air.
People also rule out significantly higher levels of sedantary activity, coupled with higher obesity and lower physical activity levels. Sitting at home and working all day is really bad for your health, especially if you do it on/off for two years. The group in question - 25-44 year olds - are primary members of the workforce, and most likely saw their work shift to WFH for extended periods of time. Anecdotally, all…
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#266For some context as we discuss this: The pandemic (any pandemic really) is an existential disaster for the libertarian right, for it invalidates their ideology that people should be allowed to do whatever they like and somehow it will all work out for the best [for me]. Thus their response is (and really can only be) two fold: 1) deny that it is happening, and if that fails 2) deny that there is anything that can be…
That's strange cause I see it as a disaster for authoritarians, technocrats and bureaucrats.
They've truly lost the trust of the public and revealed themselves to be nothing more than hubristic level-pullers and demagogues.
Fauci lied throughout the entire pandemic. He handled it horribly. The death toll happened under his authority.
Let me guess: the public health establishment shouldn't be blamed for the absolute atrocious health of the average American?
Even worse he claimed his inept plans were being sabotaged or ignored by scapegoating Trump. This couldn't be further from the truth: he had complete control, rallying people behind the scenes to squash opponents & was illegally censoring people left and right through the fascist cooperation of federal govt and private corporations.
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#267Earlier quoted context omitted.
Young people also need doctors and teachers and the entire infrastructure of society. Old people not only continue enjoying restaurants and social events but they are a significant percentage of those doctors and teachers and infrastructure workers. In Slovenia, specifically, 20% of the population is over 65. Let's say covid is dangerous if you are 55 or older. Oops, there goes 30% of doctors and 30% of teachers! Tha…
I was saying that "stuff old people do" was not limited/forbidden for unvaccinated, while "stuff young people do" was. Mostly because old people don't do a lot (except for stay at home, socialize at other peoples homes, go to the store, doctor, pharmacy)... in turn, if an old person stayed unvaccinated, it did not affect their day-to-day life. Even cufew, after 21h/22h, old people are usually home then. But we did cl…
Meanwhile the restrictions on cafes where old people gather during the day were much more lenient. It's just nuts.
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#268Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a very different statistic: under 40s, and only in men, and only for one vaccine, after a second dose. It seems odd to pick that one outlier from the article, which generally concludes the opposite: "The overall risk of myocarditis – inflammation of the heart muscle – is substantially higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than it is in the weeks following vaccination for the coronavirus, a larg…
> That's a very different statistic: under 40s, and only in men, and only for one vaccine, after a second dose. The original post you replied to said: > i'm still not convinced the vaccines were a net positive - especially for the sub 60 cohort when looking at the actual stats - the risks are higher from the myocarditis than from actual Covid, at least in the younger pop. They had that part in there that said "at lea…
They absolutely did! Let's go through that one sentence clause by clause.
> i'm still not convinced the vaccines were a net positive
...which is utterly ridiculous. The vaccines have clearly saved tens of millions of lives by any reasonable assessment.
> especially for the sub 60 cohort when looking at the actual stats
..."especially", so not only the sub-60 cohort, but to a greater degree for them. Looking at "the actual stats", so should be verifiable, but still no evidence for that. And there won't be: the benefits very clearly outweigh the negatives for under-60s.
> - the risks are higher from the myocarditis than from actual Covid, at least in the younger pop.
"At least" in the unspecified "younger pop". But this is only true if you chuck a bunch of qualifiers in there.
If you want to argue that the risk of myocarditis is higher from the vaccine than from covid in, say, under-35s, then I don't think that is true in general, but it gets a bit less clear (and there are other risks from the virus than just myocarditis). But if you are going to argue that then why talk about the "sub 60 cohort"?
> You called bullshit on a specific statement in the original post - vaccine myocaditis being more dangerous than covid myocaditis for some people - and asked for a citation
No, I most certainly did not. You can read what I wrote by moving your eyes a couple of paragraphs up. I called bullshit on "especially for the sub 60 cohort when looking at the actual stats".
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#269For those who are desperate to draw a link between vaccines and heart attacks, this article essentially says the opposite of that. While the paper itself doesn't differentiate between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, it does contain a graph showing a state-by-state breakdown of acute myocardial infarction (AMI)-associated deaths: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/c0aed082-9f81-4a88... Dark purple is a…
I don't understand the rush to defend vaccines. I've been vaccinated and don't regret that because in those circumstances, they were a positive health choice. But it's impossible to know the long-term impact of any medicine unless you've actually studied it, well, long-term. In 5 years, the vaccines might be death in a vial. Or they might be completely benign. You'll only know after 5 years.
It’s certainly possible that there will be some long-term problem that only becomes apparent after a considerable period of time but there isn’t a known mechanism for that, and if that is identified it’ll be due to the actual scientists who are carefully studying it rather than the people trying the old conman’s trick of making enough vague claims that they’ll be able to say they predicted the future.
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#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
I interpret that as them being 90% effective in preventing symptomatic infection, for a specific period after vaccination, against the variants that were circulating at the time. That's not a lie: that's what the data showed. I don't believe that's been contradicted since. No one claimed they were perfect at preventing symptomatic infection. The ability of the vaccines to eliminate symptomatic infection reduced over…
> DR. ROCHELLE WALENSKY, CDC DIRECTOR > And we have -- we can kind of almost see the end. We`re vaccinating so very fast, our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don`t get sick, and that it`s not just in the clinical trials but it`s also in real world data. https://web.archive.org/web/20210402002315/https://www.msnbc...