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Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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COVID-19 is also a thrombotic disorder. This has been known since the relatively early days of the pandemic. Have any of you been paying any attention at all?

We know, but it’s not like there is much of a choice here. We are all going to be exposed to covid no matter what we do.

Well doing your best not to catch it before there was a vaccine and then getting vaccinated will best improve your chances.

But I was more referring to everyone in this thread speculating about obesity, vaccines and everything other than the novel pandemic virus with the thrombotic complications that swept the globe that just MIGHT have something to do with the rise in heart attacks.

Which was pretty much predicted by anyone paying attention back in summer of 2020. And probably why people who recover from COVID have a higher mortality rate 18 months after infection:

https://www.nursinginpractice.com/clinical/dermatology/covid...

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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For those who are desperate to draw a link between vaccines and heart attacks, this article essentially says the opposite of that. While the paper itself doesn't differentiate between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, it does contain a graph showing a state-by-state breakdown of acute myocardial infarction (AMI)-associated deaths: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/c0aed082-9f81-4a88... Dark purple is a…

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Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Does anyone have link to the full text? (can't access from my institution) I ask because they seem to point to covid but there are lots of other factors that need to be considered that are quite obviously causal. For example obesity is on the rise[0], including a ~5% between 1999 and 2019. I think it would be unsurprising to anyone that obesity increased in a period where we all shifted to online and that regular exe…

Here’s the full text: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9839603/

The submitted article describes this study as “new” (and uses an incomplete headline as clickbait…), but it’s been public since September and was widely covered at that time. Here’s a more detailed article from October: https://scitechdaily.com/covid-19-surges-linked-to-spike-in-...

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's difficult to draw conclusions because first graph is not the delta in deaths, just total deaths. and southern states have always had a high cardiovascular mortality. I guess the bigger question that I often have is why the rush to completely rule out vaccines? Whenever this discussion comes up, its either complete blame or zero blame. How about investigate it like any other factor with the help of proper data? A…

>why the rush to rule them out? Any fact that would lead to the conclusion that there was a deliberate campaign of organized malice by large groups of people especially in government agencies is false because the conclusion is always false. Also, obedience and compliance with government dictates is always rewarded. Any fact leading to the conclusion that that is not the case is always false. The proper way to determi…

Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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For those who are desperate to draw a link between vaccines and heart attacks, this article essentially says the opposite of that. While the paper itself doesn't differentiate between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, it does contain a graph showing a state-by-state breakdown of acute myocardial infarction (AMI)-associated deaths: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/c0aed082-9f81-4a88... Dark purple is a…

It's disturbing how eager people here are to jump on "vaccines are bad" or "why isn't anybody talking about vaccines bad sides". The side effects of vaccines and Covid have been under heavy scrutiny from the very first day. Where in the fuck are you people getting your news and what are you doing on HN?

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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For those who are desperate to draw a link between vaccines and heart attacks, this article essentially says the opposite of that. While the paper itself doesn't differentiate between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, it does contain a graph showing a state-by-state breakdown of acute myocardial infarction (AMI)-associated deaths: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/c0aed082-9f81-4a88... Dark purple is a…

Vaccines in general is probably one of the most important discoveries of modern science but i find it quite bizarre that people put so much trust into a very unique fasttracked process and pharma companies that have a very visible history of deception and fraud.

7 pharma companies got "reprimanded" by the EU after the last 2010 flu pandemic because of astroturfing and "using a crisis to profit from vaccines" that the EU didn't need.

Personally, though double vaxxed, i'm still not convinced the vaccines were a net positive - especially for the sub 60 cohort when looking at the actual stats - the risks are higher from the myocarditis than from actual Covid, at least in the younger pop.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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I did look at https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html btw. It seems to have great intentions. I have no idea about the level of compliance since it's purely voluntary it seems. I would love to see the data around clots, which btw that page doesn't seem to list as a condition to be reported.

As you note, the VAERS database is voluntary and probably misses many conditions that aren't associated with a vaccine when undergoing treatment. I accept that taking medicine, any medicine, imposes risk for adverse events. What's crazy to me is we just underwent widespread inoculation of a brand new type of vaccine technology that has never been used in humans before, meant to inoculate us against a disease that nev…

Nit: mRNA vaccines were used in human trials for cancer immunotherapy starting in 2001, rabies in 2013, ebola, zika, influenza, cytamegalovirus, etc followed. It's not accurate to say the technology had "never been used in humans before" COVID19; but the US FDA had never approved widespread use of it until then.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did look at https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html btw. It seems to have great intentions. I have no idea about the level of compliance since it's purely voluntary it seems. I would love to see the data around clots, which btw that page doesn't seem to list as a condition to be reported.

As you note, the VAERS database is voluntary and probably misses many conditions that aren't associated with a vaccine when undergoing treatment. I accept that taking medicine, any medicine, imposes risk for adverse events. What's crazy to me is we just underwent widespread inoculation of a brand new type of vaccine technology that has never been used in humans before, meant to inoculate us against a disease that nev…

> is we just underwent widespread inoculation of a brand new type of vaccine technology that has never been used in humans before

If you're referring to mRNA vaccines here, then this simply isn't true. They had been used in humans before. For example they were given to humans in trials of a rabies vaccine in 2013. (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w)

mRNA vaccines are a more recent tool, but not something that is untested or one that has never been used before.

> and it _feels_ like the powers that be just don't want to ask certain questions.

Is it worth asking yourself why it feels that way when readily available evidence shows otherwise?

> It would still increase confidence and dispel paranoia if it and its possible harms were studied in a much more direct way than having to look at secondary metrics, like voluntary vaers data,

Not all the research looking into the safety of these vaccines is dependent on VAERS data. Research on the safety of these vaccines has been going on starting long before they were ever used on a human, and before the release of the covid vaccines trials (with controls and monitoring) were done to look for safety issues. The very article we're commenting under is about research that didn't depend on voluntary vaers data or all cause mortality stats. This is how science detects problems with medications and vaccines. By doing research and trials for years, then following all of the data we have available to reach the most likely conclusions.

> COVID was never very dangerous for young people.

That is very much unclear. The fact remains that we're still learning about the risk that getting infected has on everyone, young and old alike. This takes time. We already have evidence to suggest there may be long term or even permanent damage from prior infection even in cases where the symptoms were mild or even undetected.

Lots of people didn't want the vaccine, but there were many many reasons for that and not all of them held up to facts and reason. At least here in the US, people were strongly encouraged to take it, but ultimately still had the choice and there are many who are not vaccinated to this day. According to the best data we have right now, it appears that those people are dying and getting seriously ill at a rate not seen in the vaccinated population.

> For me I can't help but conclude that an agenda was pushed here;

this is very broad, and speculative, but I'm inclined to agree with you. I think that agenda was most likely promoting what the best information we had at the time indicated was the best available options we had at the time to combat a new virus that devastated our economy and our way of life. Of course governments and those in power wanted people to take them. Wouldn't they all be hoping it would help things return to normal as quickly as possible?

> The people pushing it may have even been right, but I'll never be able to trust them like I did before.

This I also agree with you on, although probably for different reasons. I've lost a great deal of faith that the CDC will be honest with the public and in our government to make sure that the American people are well cared for in times of crisis.

It may still turn out that the vaccines were a terrible mistake. Maybe everyone who took it will suddenly drop dead in 20 years time, but today there's no evidence to suggest that might be the case.

I try to make the best choices I can with the information I have currently available. I accept that I may have screwed myself over, but I'm putting my money on avoiding getting infected at all if I can, and using the best medications and vaccines available to minimize the harm that an infection would cause me if I fail at that.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we reliably detect if someone was vaccinated but not exposed to the actual virus?

Yes. I did a test last year to check for antibodies generated through the vaccine and antibodies generated through an infection. Vaccine was positive, infection negative.

Is the rest reliable?

“In participants that had COVID-19 and were tested one week after symptoms developed, antibody tests detected only 27% to 41% of infections. In week 2 after first symptoms, 64% to 79% of infections were detected, rising to 78% to 88% in week 3. Tests that specifically detected IgG or IgM antibodies were the most accurate and, when testing people from 21 days after first symptoms, they detected 93% of people with COVID-19. Tests gave false positive results for 1% of those without COVID-19.”

https://www.cochrane.org/CD013652/INFECTN_what-diagnostic-ac...

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