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Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by drno123 »

chimprich wrote: post #201
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, it also worrying to see science take a backseat to politics. It's not politics directly, it's lying and all the "whoopsies". I live in slovenia, so there was no trump vs others here. When I got vaccinated we had four kinds of vaccines (J&J, astrazeneca, pfeizer and moderna... if you got vacicnated abroad, also sputnik). All those vaccines were said to prevent getting a symptomatic covid infection and also…

> All those vaccines were said to prevent getting a symptomatic covid infection and also prevent the spread. Right, this is nonsense. You claim "lies", but you're parroting lies yourself and spreading dangerous misinformation. Let's have some sources to back up these extraordinary claims. Show us where medical authorities or the drug companies themselves ever claimed that the vaccines would "prevent getting a symptom…

How do you interpret this, if not that the vaccines are 90% effective in preventing getting a covid infection, by CDC which is a medical authority?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1262334

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Post by swayvil »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #207
swayvil wrote: post #195

I blame the vaccine. I base this upon my own experience. With people I personally know. Who got the vaccine and who didn't. Who suddenly, unexpectedly died. And who is doing fine.

It's hard to take your fragmented sentences more seriously than the fact that 12.7 billion vaccine doses have been given out world wide as of october of last year. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-glo...

(criticizing my grammar? Really?)

I refer to my own experience while you refer to a secondhand news-product. Consider the difference.

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Post by maxerickson »

kennywinker wrote: post #6
kettleballroll wrote: post #2

Can't watch from my country, what's the tl;dw? In which population, and are there any reasons why?

Journal article is here https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.28187 I only read the abstract, but they don't offer an explanation - only that it's linked to the pandemic in terms of time-frame.

Full text available at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9839603/

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Post by mancerayder »

Have we ruled out failure to exercise and shut facilities that occurred during those absolutely outrageous and ridiculous lockdowns?

Exercise is by far the best path to cardiovascular health, along with nutrition. Prior to the pandemic we had a epidemic: obesity. Then we tell people for their health we need to shut down their recreational activities and they'd better stay indoors or the air outside risks killing them. Both ideas we all now agree were wrong.

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Post by maxerickson »

Looking at the paper, the rate in their younger cohort went from about 1.6 or 1.7 per 100,000 pre pandemic (read from a plot, I didn't check to see if they give a specific number in the text) to about 2.1 per 100,000 during the early phase of the pandemic.

That's small enough to potentially be explained by all sorts of factors. And then of course the causes could be split among several factors.

Doesn't really justify speculation about what factors might increase personal risk.

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Post by mancerayder »

lamontcg wrote: post #93

COVID-19 is also a thrombotic disorder. This has been known since the relatively early days of the pandemic. Have any of you been paying any attention at all?

The overwhelming majority of us have gotten covid, though. But only some are suffering from the thrombatic disorder.

Have you thought about that at all?

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Post by UIUC_06 »

Shortcut for reading these comments: if anyone says "conspiracy theory" or "anti-vaxxer" you can stop reading them right away. They're just ideological warriors.

Being scientists, we can design a longitudinal test (of these two groups, identical otherwise, one vax'ed and one not, did the vax'ed have more side effects?) that answers the risk question pretty definitely. Then all the data people trot out can just be examined with, "Is this as good as that test?"

It seems rather clear that the governments of the world, in responding to a perceived emergency, cut some corners. You could argue this was a responsible thing to do. It would also be responsible to start being honest about it.

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Post by landemva »

justsomeadvice0 wrote: post #107
arghnoname wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As you note, the VAERS database is voluntary and probably misses many conditions that aren't associated with a vaccine when undergoing treatment. I accept that taking medicine, any medicine, imposes risk for adverse events. What's crazy to me is we just underwent widespread inoculation of a brand new type of vaccine technology that has never been used in humans before, meant to inoculate us against a disease that nev…

Nit: mRNA vaccines were used in human trials for cancer immunotherapy starting in 2001, rabies in 2013, ebola, zika, influenza, cytamegalovirus, etc followed. It's not accurate to say the technology had "never been used in humans before" COVID19; but the US FDA had never approved widespread use of it until then.

> approved widespread use

This conflates 'approved' with the ongoing emergency use authorization. Long term studies will help determine if it can be approved for normal use and effectiveness is part of that determination.

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Post by landemva »

null_object wrote: post #176
arghnoname wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As you note, the VAERS database is voluntary and probably misses many conditions that aren't associated with a vaccine when undergoing treatment. I accept that taking medicine, any medicine, imposes risk for adverse events. What's crazy to me is we just underwent widespread inoculation of a brand new type of vaccine technology that has never been used in humans before, meant to inoculate us against a disease that nev…

> COVID was never very dangerous for young people… An ex-colleague who is now 31 (or 32) who was running the Stockholm marathon in 2018 and 2019, got Covid very early in 2020, and suffered a massive pulmonary embolism which took him months to fully recover from. This was before the vaccines were available, of course.

> got Covid very early in 2020

Was that determined by a blood test for developed antibodies, or by swabbing around and amplifying whatever was picked up?

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Post by chimprich »

drno123 wrote: post #211
chimprich wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All those vaccines were said to prevent getting a symptomatic covid infection and also prevent the spread. Right, this is nonsense. You claim "lies", but you're parroting lies yourself and spreading dangerous misinformation. Let's have some sources to back up these extraordinary claims. Show us where medical authorities or the drug companies themselves ever claimed that the vaccines would "prevent getting a symptom…

How do you interpret this, if not that the vaccines are 90% effective in preventing getting a covid infection, by CDC which is a medical authority? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1262334

I interpret that as them being 90% effective in preventing symptomatic infection, for a specific period after vaccination, against the variants that were circulating at the time. That's not a lie: that's what the data showed. I don't believe that's been contradicted since.

No one claimed they were perfect at preventing symptomatic infection. The ability of the vaccines to eliminate symptomatic infection reduced over time, but that's not because the authorities were lying about it. That's just the evolution of the virus and waning immunity.

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