Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group • Hacker News Board

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by chimprich » Sun, Jan 29, 2023, 2:57 PM UTC

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #97

chaostheory wrote: post #22

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Let’s pretend there was a statistically significant relation to heart attacks with the mRNA vaccines. I would imagine that the risk of a heart attack would be far greater with worse outcomes if you got infected with COVID unvaccinated. I also understand why the authorities are adamant about there being no link to heart attacks and vaccines given all the pushback against vaccines. However, it also worrying to see scie…

> However, it also worrying to see science take a backseat to politics. It's not politics directly, it's lying and all the "whoopsies". I live in slovenia, so there was no trump vs others here. When I got vaccinated we had four kinds of vaccines (J&J, astrazeneca, pfeizer and moderna... if you got vacicnated abroad, also sputnik). All those vaccines were said to prevent getting a symptomatic covid infection and also…

> All those vaccines were said to prevent getting a symptomatic covid infection and also prevent the spread.

Right, this is nonsense. You claim "lies", but you're parroting lies yourself and spreading dangerous misinformation.

Let's have some sources to back up these extraordinary claims. Show us where medical authorities or the drug companies themselves ever claimed that the vaccines would "prevent getting a symptomatic covid infection" or "prevent the spread".

The original data presented never showed that the vaccines would prevent symptomatic infections or completely prevent transmission.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by cableshaft » Sun, Jan 29, 2023, 3:04 PM UTC

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #179

newsclues wrote: post #168

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As someone that got COVID in March 2020, and was pretty active before. It took some time to recover, but I continued getting exercise, despite being a studio apartment dweller. But after a shook COVID, I stopped listening to the news and government that said going outside was dangerous and got my walking in and continued to go out for fresh air. I have fully recovered from COVID, and have actually lost weight (food g…

A lot of my physical activity was almost automatic. I would walk to/from the metro. On the way back, I would stop by the gym. It was all momentum. Covid killed all that momentum. And anytime I would get into a groove, a new round of lockdowns would put a giant pause on it. The gyms and parks were closed during all the multiple waves. I would workout at home but it was just not enough activity - every hour long workou…

Covid killed my momentum also. I had lost 25 lbs and was going to weekly weigh-ins just before lockdowns, then I was able to keep that momentum going and lost 10 more pounds....then being forced to stay pretty sedentary, especially due to the added stress of trying to keep my job and -- to a lesser extent -- my sanity in the midst of the whole world going nuts (except walking the dogs periodically) I ended up putting all that weight back on and gained another 20 lbs.

I felt I needed to be extra cautious too since I'm middle aged, obese, and have asthma, so I didn't do a whole lot outside of the house until I got vaccinated, mostly just walks around the neighborhood or at forest preserves.

Last year I sort of got better and dropped that extra 20 lbs, this year is off to a bad start though with a muscle strain in my arm taking its sweet time to heal and making it difficult to work out and constantly being too cold to go on walks outside this past month. Hopefully I can start making things happen in a month or so though.

Overall I definitely think I'm in worse overall health than I would have been without the Covid pandemic being a thing. But I might be in even worse health if I got Covid that first year (and especially that first six months when we knew practically nothing about it and how to treat it in the hospital).

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by chimprich » Sun, Jan 29, 2023, 3:07 PM UTC

kossTKR wrote: post #106

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #17

For those who are desperate to draw a link between vaccines and heart attacks, this article essentially says the opposite of that. While the paper itself doesn't differentiate between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, it does contain a graph showing a state-by-state breakdown of acute myocardial infarction (AMI)-associated deaths: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/c0aed082-9f81-4a88... Dark purple is a…

Vaccines in general is probably one of the most important discoveries of modern science but i find it quite bizarre that people put so much trust into a very unique fasttracked process and pharma companies that have a very visible history of deception and fraud. 7 pharma companies got "reprimanded" by the EU after the last 2010 flu pandemic because of astroturfing and "using a crisis to profit from vaccines" that the…

> especially for the sub 60 cohort when looking at the actual stats

Right, I'm going to call bullshit on this. If you're going to make incredible claims like this on HN against all scientific orthodoxy, you have to show your workings.

What is the risk of myocarditis from the vaccines in under-60s? What was the unvaccinated fatality rate for under-60s?

Cite your sources.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by dham » Sun, Jan 29, 2023, 3:17 PM UTC

null_object wrote: post #176

arghnoname wrote: post #87

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As you note, the VAERS database is voluntary and probably misses many conditions that aren't associated with a vaccine when undergoing treatment. I accept that taking medicine, any medicine, imposes risk for adverse events. What's crazy to me is we just underwent widespread inoculation of a brand new type of vaccine technology that has never been used in humans before, meant to inoculate us against a disease that nev…

> COVID was never very dangerous for young people… An ex-colleague who is now 31 (or 32) who was running the Stockholm marathon in 2018 and 2019, got Covid very early in 2020, and suffered a massive pulmonary embolism which took him months to fully recover from. This was before the vaccines were available, of course.

I think they were saying from a statistics standpoint not a one off anecdote. You can find these stories with the the flu too. Any virus you get from a toddler to your 20's to your 70's is no joke and should be taken seriously.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by locustous » Sun, Jan 29, 2023, 3:21 PM UTC

autoexec wrote: post #48

nyrulez wrote: post #37

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1. My doctor(s) (in USA) told me so. They were not aware of any data collection around this and my condition. I did explicitly ask them. 2. Where is this data? If it's being collected, we should be able to see it or clear conclusions from it? It's a very simple data set too. I have not seen any clear national level data or any discussion around it for vaccination status/blood clots in any media.

> I have not seen any clear national level data or any discussion around it for vaccination status/blood clots in any media. In research: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35582622/ In media: https://nypost.com/2022/05/05/fda-restricts-jjs-covid-19-vac... I'll be generous and suggest that your doctor misunderstood your question. VAERS is a nationwide data collection program being used to collect evidence for the advers…

The problem is that if the front line medical staff don't collect the data the existence of collections organizations and publications is effectively irrelevant because they end up totally blind to this potential data. "Blind man reports on sky color" is pretty meaningless.

Generously we may call this an oversight that so many in front line medical believe there is no collection method or refuse to use it. Negatively, it provides plausible deniability to high minded academics while the process is intentionally shortcutted at the ground level in a massive fraud and cover up.

For myself, I've personally seen this lack of reporting for years, even before COVID, by nurses and doctors at various hospitals. There is a very pervasive attitude of, the vaccines are safe therefore your problem immediately following is total coincidence and we will report nothing.

Given it's existence for years and the lack of general training in this regard I can't help but lose trust in the entirety of the system as, at best, extremely dysfunctional.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by dham » Sun, Jan 29, 2023, 3:22 PM UTC

whatshisface wrote: post #71

drblastoff wrote: post #64

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You should report this to VAERS if you’re in the US and it hasn’t been reported already. Indicate the batch number, which should be written on your vaccine card. I’ve had four Pfizer shots. For three shots, the side effects were mild. But after one, I had chest pains for about a week. It turns out that shot was from a batch with many cases of serious illness and several deaths reported on VAERS. The other batches had…

I wish people could talk about real problems like this and not made-up problems like you'd seen being passed around on social media. The politicization (which has lead to a complete jam-up in the public discourse - on one side you have heavy, active censorship and on the other you have totally fabricated hysterical theories with no grounding in reality) and close integration between the manufacturers and the regulato…

Yet, the simple mention of aspiration meant you were conspiracy theorist. So we can't even have the simple conversations, much less the difficult ones.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by CyberDildonics » Sun, Jan 29, 2023, 3:37 PM UTC

swayvil wrote: post #195

I blame the vaccine. I base this upon my own experience. With people I personally know. Who got the vaccine and who didn't. Who suddenly, unexpectedly died. And who is doing fine.

It's hard to take your fragmented sentences more seriously than the fact that 12.7 billion vaccine doses have been given out world wide as of october of last year.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-glo...

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by landemva » Sun, Jan 29, 2023, 3:52 PM UTC

autoexec wrote: post #48

nyrulez wrote: post #37

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1. My doctor(s) (in USA) told me so. They were not aware of any data collection around this and my condition. I did explicitly ask them. 2. Where is this data? If it's being collected, we should be able to see it or clear conclusions from it? It's a very simple data set too. I have not seen any clear national level data or any discussion around it for vaccination status/blood clots in any media.

> I have not seen any clear national level data or any discussion around it for vaccination status/blood clots in any media. In research: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35582622/ In media: https://nypost.com/2022/05/05/fda-restricts-jjs-covid-19-vac... I'll be generous and suggest that your doctor misunderstood your question. VAERS is a nationwide data collection program being used to collect evidence for the advers…

> The possible risks of these vaccines are not being ignored

Several years after initial outbreak, I wonder if continuation of the emergency use authorization can be justified, or if it continues because it allows the medical establishment to not be liable for realized risks.

Possible risks don't matter to manufacturers, because nobody is liable for injury.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by Baloo » Sun, Jan 29, 2023, 4:01 PM UTC

autoexec wrote: post #182

spacephysics wrote: post #177

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If you look at the twitter files released by Matt Taibi it indeed confirms there is collusion among former twitter and numerous government entities. It’s no conspiracy, there’s straight emails of the government asking for XYZ list of accounts to be suppressed. https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/dec/14/editorial-t... You further had the suppression of the Hunter biden laptop in DMs and tweets, because governmen…

The fact that governments do actually engage in censorship doesn't mean that everyone who posts about the real or possible risks of the covid vaccines get their posts censored or that people whose posts about the risks of covid vaccines were removed, were removed because of goverment censorship. Even in the case of twitter. Here: https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1536697529454272512 There's a tweet about the risks o…

Particularly at the time of the vaccine rollout, there absolutely was a huge effort across many platforms to mock, silence and ultimately censor individuals. Whether or not there was government collusion, I obviously can't say, but I'd hardly be surprised given the close relationships between media outlets and government officials.

Clearly everyone wasn't being banned, some things were being allowed, but personally I think the conversation was being steered/herded in a way that made one particular point of view more prominent and minimised exposure to alternatives.

For example, I was banned from Reddit world news for simply sharing a science.org article about some of the potential vaccination side effects:

https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavir...

You have been banned for posting content that downplays or mocks necessary public health measures to combat the coronavirus pandemic, such as taking vaccines or wearing masks in the comments section. Such comments violate this subreddit's rule against offensive content and reddit's guideline against harmful content:

Note that health misinformation, namely falsifiable health information that encourages or poses a significant risk of physical harm to the reader, also violates the Rule.

I can't contest this ban and it's permanent.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by autoexec » Sun, Jan 29, 2023, 4:05 PM UTC

ada1981 wrote: post #192

autoexec wrote: post #147

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> Unless you believe that all those censored, shadow-banned and deplatformed people are just the conspiracy nuts with lies and fake data? It'd be impossible to make that claim. I couldn't possibly be aware of all of the people who have been censored/shadow-banned/deplatformed for talking about the risks of vaccinations, but I do suspect that the vast majority of them likely were (intentionally or otherwise) spreading…

I guess one question that comes up is that, has there ever been a time in history when the US government hadn’t lied to the American people and had an alternative agenda from the mainstream narrative / propaganda campaign. And why should I believe now is any different? I’ve already seen evidence of intentional misleading in the name of public health around Covid. Not to mention just the incompetency of leadership. Be…

Let's pretend for the moment that there isn't a single person in all of government who has integrity and every one of them would lie to you if it served their own ends. This is a global pandemic. Is every government everywhere corrupt? Actually, probably to some extent, yeah, but corrupt in the same way? Much less likely. Yet even if they are that's actually okay, because you don't have to trust them. You can instead listen to the the doctors, researchers, and experts who by overwhelming majority agree with each other.

You already know, because you've seen with your own eyes, that it isn't forbidden to talk about the risks of these vaccines. You're doing it right now. So are countless others and those endless examples don't all come from the lips of politicians and government workers.