What I find interesting is how many people rush to blame vaccines for this when the easier explanation, occums razor, is that the thing that killed +1m in the US has long term and secondary effects. Could it be the vaccine? Maybe because it isn’t impossible but let’s be reasonable and acknowledge we already know COVID caused blood clots and this is highly likely the culprit. I mean the damn virus was so weird and severe it caused temporary and delayed brain damage in the form of parosmia.
Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
What world have you been living in to miss all the documented reality of the government and co censoring, deplatforming and manipulating social/traditional media to reduce that. You're painting a very rosy picture of reality here. Unless you believe that all those censored, shadow-banned and deplatformed people are just the conspiracy nuts with lies and fake data?
> Unless you believe that all those censored, shadow-banned and deplatformed people are just the conspiracy nuts with lies and fake data? It'd be impossible to make that claim. I couldn't possibly be aware of all of the people who have been censored/shadow-banned/deplatformed for talking about the risks of vaccinations, but I do suspect that the vast majority of them likely were (intentionally or otherwise) spreading…
I guess one question that comes up is that, has there ever been a time in history when the US government hadn’t lied to the American people and had an alternative agenda from the mainstream narrative / propaganda campaign.
And why should I believe now is any different?
I’ve already seen evidence of intentional misleading in the name of public health around Covid.
Not to mention just the incompetency of leadership.
Between incompetency and lack of integrity, I’m not very inspired to follow the leader.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
i've always wished someone did a study on the usage of cocaïne among politician and the impact it had on their policies. I suspect a lot of overreacting, impulsive and careless decisions were taken while under influence.
Affairs or secret gay lovers tends to make the politicians more vocal about "traditional family values" so I doubt any other "taboo" wouldnt generate the same hypocracy. Nancy Regans "Just Say No" crusade could be because she was secretly hiding an addiction to Quaaludes and she didnt want anyone to notice. edit: turns out she was ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9471693/Nancy-Reaga...
Similar suspicions surround Laura Bush's late urgency for reading skills.
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#194What if this is just due to people on average being the fattest and most stressed out they've ever been? Being inside for a few years didn't help everyone physically.
Obesity and lack of exercise are long-term risk factors that hit later in life. Not at 25-44 ( maybe in the late 30s/40s). Haven't looked at the exact data but there might be something else driving this.
It’s not about the obesity, it’s about the metabolic disease. We have T2 diabetic children with human foie gras. Why? Because of the standard American diet, accurately named SAD.
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#195I blame the vaccine.
I base this upon my own experience. With people I personally know. Who got the vaccine and who didn't. Who suddenly, unexpectedly died. And who is doing fine.
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#196For some context as we discuss this: The pandemic (any pandemic really) is an existential disaster for the libertarian right, for it invalidates their ideology that people should be allowed to do whatever they like and somehow it will all work out for the best [for me]. Thus their response is (and really can only be) two fold: 1) deny that it is happening, and if that fails 2) deny that there is anything that can be…
>The pandemic (any pandemic really) is an existential disaster for the libertarian right, for it invalidates their ideology that people should be allowed to do whatever they like and somehow it will all work out for the best [for me].
I think you're declaring victory a bit too early here. There's one specific instance where an ideology failed and it's "an existential disaster"? Given how poorly western countries handled covid compared to asian countries (at least during the initial stages), should we say that covid was "an existential disaster" for western democracies? Given the political unrest in the US from 2020 to 2021, should we say that it was "an existential disaster" for US democracy?
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In my own case, I had significant cardiovascular issues at a relatively young age, 1 week after I got my booster. The vaccine is only a part of the virus right (the spike protein)? Yes for you it’s likely the cause, your experience regarding data collection might be anecdotal because there are growing evidence regarding myocarditis following the vaccine for example. What is usually missed is that you and people res…
I had adverse cardiovascular issues soon after the vaccine. I've wondered about this, but as far as I can tell the 'covid would have been worse' argument is not definitive. At least with later strains, virus / spike protein may be more localized in the respiratory system than vaccine (at least in cases where the administration inadvertently crosses a vein. I've seen some studies on both sides of this argument, but no…
> eventually got COVID over a year (18 months?) since the original vaccine, so presumably it was offering no protection at that time
I think you've misunderstood how the vaccines work. The protection provided by vaccines is not 100%. It doesn't necessarily give you sterilising immunity. The immunity wanes, but still gives protection against severe outcomes for a long time. You likely got a less severe bout of covid because you were vaccinated.
> I was scared to get the booster
> I was so confident in the vaccines
How do you reconcile these statements?
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#198For those who are desperate to draw a link between vaccines and heart attacks, this article essentially says the opposite of that. While the paper itself doesn't differentiate between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, it does contain a graph showing a state-by-state breakdown of acute myocardial infarction (AMI)-associated deaths: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/c0aed082-9f81-4a88... Dark purple is a…
I don't understand the rush to defend vaccines. I've been vaccinated and don't regret that because in those circumstances, they were a positive health choice. But it's impossible to know the long-term impact of any medicine unless you've actually studied it, well, long-term. In 5 years, the vaccines might be death in a vial. Or they might be completely benign. You'll only know after 5 years.
> I don't understand the rush to defend vaccines.
It's because they've been among the most successful medical treatment in history. For example, smallpox alone killed up to half a billion people in the 20th C and we managed to eradicate it.
> In 5 years, the vaccines might be death in a vial. Or they might be completely benign. You'll only know after 5 years.
This isn't how biology works. You don't just have drugs that set off a timer with a trigger that suddenly kills you 5 years later. If something is doing bad things to you then you start getting adverse effects far sooner than that.
We've given billions of doses of these vaccines out. We have an excellent idea of the side-effects they cause, and they're generally extremely safe.
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
Stop spreading these right wing anti-vaxxer lies, my god. "Death in a vial". Dont you feel ashamed and ridiculous posting this insane over-the-top inflammatory rhetoric? People are already discussing the science and long term effects and few people just take the vaccines at face value. And to add to your harmful, conscious spread of disinformation, you thinly veil it in "I am vaccinated myself, but..."
Way to miss the point. Absolutely hysterical.
No, "death in a vial" is hysterical nonsense.
Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group
#200For those who are desperate to draw a link between vaccines and heart attacks, this article essentially says the opposite of that. While the paper itself doesn't differentiate between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, it does contain a graph showing a state-by-state breakdown of acute myocardial infarction (AMI)-associated deaths: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/c0aed082-9f81-4a88... Dark purple is a…
> For those who are desperate to draw a link between vaccines and heart attacks
I have problems with that argument. If the claim is that the coronavirus spike protein from vaccines causes heart attacks, then surely the coronavirus spike protein from an actual coronavirus infection will cause even more heart attacks. How have they been able to bypass this logical problem?