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Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by quintushoratius »

friend_and_foe wrote: post #96
joaorico wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simpson’s paradox should be taken into account. If you group the population into only 2 groups: all of the vaccinated and all the unvaccinated, regardless of age; then the vaccinated had a higher death toll. But age is a hidden factor. The older have more risks and are more vaccinated. If you group by vaccination AND by age bracket, the opposite happens. For example, the 60 to 65 vaccinated have a lower death rate th…

Just so I understand what you're saying, it sounds to me like covid is killing old people and something else is killing everyone else at a higher rate, correlating with vaccination status? So only old people and high risk individuals should've gotten the vaccine?

I think you jumped to a conclusion. COVID still kills vaccinated individuals, just at a lower rate than unvaccinated.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by victor106 »

autoexec wrote: post #29
nyrulez wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's difficult to draw conclusions because first graph is not the delta in deaths, just total deaths. and southern states have always had a high cardiovascular mortality. I guess the bigger question that I often have is why the rush to completely rule out vaccines? Whenever this discussion comes up, its either complete blame or zero blame. How about investigate it like any other factor with the help of proper data? A…

> I guess the bigger question that I often have is why the rush to completely rule out vaccines? I don't believe that anyone has completely ruled out vaccines. I think that's a boogeyman conspiracy theorists tell each other "The possible risks from vaccines are forbidden from being considered or talked about!". It's attractive to conspiracy minded people to have secret suppressed information that "they" don't want yo…

This is an excellent reply

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by newsclues »

headsoup wrote: post #142
nyrulez wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's difficult to draw conclusions because first graph is not the delta in deaths, just total deaths. and southern states have always had a high cardiovascular mortality. I guess the bigger question that I often have is why the rush to completely rule out vaccines? Whenever this discussion comes up, its either complete blame or zero blame. How about investigate it like any other factor with the help of proper data? A…

Exactly, it's not 'desperate to link them to vaccines,' but that it is 'desperate to find any reason at all before even looking at vaccines.' Considering the distrust of both Pharma and government (both sides) that preceded the vaccines and the 'heart attack' issue, it is quite astonishing the level of support seen for dismissal of them possibly causing anything. And especially as they're a novel vaccine. I don't mea…

It seems as though if people were desperate to prove the vaccines were safe and effective, there would be more open and exhaustive research into any and all potential harms from the vaccines.

If something is safe and I am confident in the safety, I will do any and all testing to prove so and request others do the same.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by linuxftw »

boc wrote: post #30
faeriechangling wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>why the rush to rule them out? They were just introduced on a broad scale, so rushing to rule them out is only natural, as they are something it would be reasonable to suspect of causing this. You after all rule out likely suspects first. The only thing thing besides the vaccines that come to mind having caused this is widespread lifestyle changes society wide as well as the most overwhelmingly obvious reason this t…

Or, you know, exposure to a novel coronavirus which has been proven to cause serious cardiovascular issues even in healthy individuals. I’d probably start there.

The experimental products don't prevent infection or transmission, so whether or not coronavirus itself has impact on cardiovascular function is not relevant to whether or not the vaccines do as well.

We know for a fact at this point the products cause cardiovascular injury. That's not really up for debate. So now we need to understand the extent. Some of us believe it's higher impact than others. One side was caught actively suppressing information, so there's no reason to trust them.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by baxtr »

tremere wrote: post #39
aliqot wrote: post #33

What if this is just due to people on average being the fattest and most stressed out they've ever been? Being inside for a few years didn't help everyone physically.

Obesity has been trending up even before the pandemic. I don't see how driving through stressful traffic for 60-120+ minutes per day and eating restaurant food is supposed to make anyone healthier. In my personal experience, the pandemic led me to build a home gym and prepare my own food, both of which have seem to have led to better health both "objectively" (weight, cholesterol, CRP, VO2max) and subjectively (how I…

I gained about 20 pounds during the first 2 years of the pandemic. I was stressed and depressed being locked down, especially during those awful winters.

Since early 2022 when things began to normalize I have lost 10 pounds.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by unvaxxed_sperm »

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #17

For those who are desperate to draw a link between vaccines and heart attacks, this article essentially says the opposite of that. While the paper itself doesn't differentiate between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, it does contain a graph showing a state-by-state breakdown of acute myocardial infarction (AMI)-associated deaths: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/c0aed082-9f81-4a88... Dark purple is a…

Tho whole pandemic was founded on the base of death count, where every death of a person who tested positive for covid was counted as covid death. That is a fact.

To level the field, we should count every death of a person who took the experimental gene therapy as death due to the said therapy.

The only difference is the propaganda machine, sorry, media, was spreading the unjustified panic about the former and is dead silent about the latter.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by linuxftw »

vasco wrote: post #140
friend_and_foe wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just so I understand what you're saying, it sounds to me like covid is killing old people and something else is killing everyone else at a higher rate, correlating with vaccination status? So only old people and high risk individuals should've gotten the vaccine?

That much was obvious. Young people weren't asked to take the vaccine to protect themselves but to protect the herd.

Despite the fact that the clinical trials didn't test for ability to stop transmission and infection. So the CDC, FDA, and Pfizer outright lied to the public. And when that lie fell apart, it was so 'you don't overrun the hospitals' despite the fact that young people weren't being hospitalized at any rate more than the seasonal flu.

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by newsclues »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #137
aliqot wrote: post #33

What if this is just due to people on average being the fattest and most stressed out they've ever been? Being inside for a few years didn't help everyone physically.

Correct. Sitting at home absolutely destroyed my health. I got a cervical disc bulge, gained nearly 10kgs in weight, had weird pains and aches in random body spots. It's the worst I've felt in ever. On a normal day during the pandemic, I would get like 1500 steps in. Before the pandemic, walking to/from the metro alone would take up nearly 8k steps. Total would easily be 12k+ steps. It was a drastic reduction in acti…

As someone that got COVID in March 2020, and was pretty active before.

It took some time to recover, but I continued getting exercise, despite being a studio apartment dweller.

But after a shook COVID, I stopped listening to the news and government that said going outside was dangerous and got my walking in and continued to go out for fresh air.

I have fully recovered from COVID, and have actually lost weight (food got more expensive, my income did not go up to cover that).

I can understand how some people worked from home and got fat eating good food, but I also understand these things were choices. I choose to exercise. I choose to eat less healthy food instead of eating cheap crap.

I choose to think about my health, and put in the work to be healthy.

For me, COVID was an opportunity to control my health, and it seems like others suffered by failing to do so and following the media and masses.

I think I made the right choice. Do you have any regrets about your choices? Or do you think COVID was just a bad thing that happened to you and you had no control?

Re: Heart attacks on rise for 25-44 age group

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Post by stuaxo »

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #17

For those who are desperate to draw a link between vaccines and heart attacks, this article essentially says the opposite of that. While the paper itself doesn't differentiate between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, it does contain a graph showing a state-by-state breakdown of acute myocardial infarction (AMI)-associated deaths: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/c0aed082-9f81-4a88... Dark purple is a…

This started before the vaccines, so it's COVID.

Although the vaccine may well docthis, just to a much much lesser extent.

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