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Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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It’s only fake if it’s imitating an ID issued by some other organization.

If I print a student ID issued by a non-existant university, is it a fake ID?

It depends on what is being asserted, I suppose. Is it used to prove an accreditation?

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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> You can still cross EU borders with just a driving licence, or government issued ID where they have them. For anybody unfamiliar with Europe, I just want to add that there aren't any checkpoints or border crossings, you just drive through or walk over. Half the time you won't even notice you're doing it. You're just supposed to have your ID on your person when you do. Ireland (and previously the UK) is the only maj…

I though the point of the Irish passport card was that it is a passport (not a national ID card), but that the only place where it is needed / accepted is in other EU MS (due to format, and lack of ability to be stamped)? Note - the EU includes a passport union, which has been in place since the EEC days. i.e. that there should be no need to also carry your passport, unless intending to travel on outwith the EU?

You're right there isn't any need to have the passport booklet when travelling within the EU. I have the passport card on me almost 100% of the time when I'm not at home, as it's kept in my wallet. So I use that when flying within the EU as well.

However, when I'm traveling to somewhere that has a hotel safe, or somewhere secure enough to leave valuables, I'll bring the full passport booklet in my carry-on along with me, and leave it there when I go out. That way, in the unlikely event I should lose my wallet / passport card, I still have the full booklet to travel home on, rather than having to arrange emergency travel documents for the flight back.

I haven't needed it yet, but I don't see the harm in also taking it. It's not as if it takes up an obscene amount of space in my carry-on luggage, nor am I risking losing it by carrying it on my person at all times. It's purely there for peace of mind, and a backup in the very unlikely event I need it.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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yes, conformity and fear of authority is strange here. no more hackers, just business ppl.

In my experience, business ppl are the ones who like to break the rules more than others. I would argue most people here are employed engineers, and they mostly love following rules.

I disagree, a key social purpose of complex legal rules is regulatory capture that allows powerful people to stay powerful. Smart powerful people don’t have to break the rules, they follow them in practice but not in spirit, whereas people without access to lawyers and legal sophistication break rules unknowingly, even when following them in spirit.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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post #131

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Maybe it’s my nordic background where people value independence (perhaps patholohically so). In general if a husband had any moderately dangerous hobbies it would sound a bit weird where I’m from that they stopped them just because they got married and had kids. And if they had apprehended Woz he would probably had a lawyer to bail him out and smooth things over. So coming from these two directions the argument that…

> And if they had apprehended Woz he would probably had a lawyer to bail him out and smooth things over. One can have a good lawyer but that lawyer cannot change the facts of the case.

So? Law is about men's rea and judge-ment, not mere facts.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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That was before we knew that real people suffer after pulling similar stunts. We all know of someone who did something stupid and has faced a lifetime of consiquence. Nobody dares put a fake bomb in a school locker (Woz did that) or give false documents to police for fun. Such things are no longer jokes. They screw up entire lives. I used to ride fast motorcycles. I know people who ran from the police for fun. Better…

I’m really unsure whether doing the same thing now would have a high risk of “screwing up” your life. It’s not like he showed anyone a counterfeit ID. What he did is the same as showing a random company ID. Not exactly grounds for arrest especially if he can provide a driver’s license if asked to.

It was a counterfeit ID. If the cop reading it walks away with the reasonable, but false, belief that the person works for the dod, he has presented a counterfeit ID. If he did it to trick the cop, he has knowingly presented false information/lied to police.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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post #146

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> You can still cross EU borders with just a driving licence, or government issued ID where they have them. For anybody unfamiliar with Europe, I just want to add that there aren't any checkpoints or border crossings, you just drive through or walk over. Half the time you won't even notice you're doing it. You're just supposed to have your ID on your person when you do. Ireland (and previously the UK) is the only maj…

I though the point of the Irish passport card was that it is a passport (not a national ID card), but that the only place where it is needed / accepted is in other EU MS (due to format, and lack of ability to be stamped)? Note - the EU includes a passport union, which has been in place since the EEC days. i.e. that there should be no need to also carry your passport, unless intending to travel on outwith the EU?

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Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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That was before we knew that real people suffer after pulling similar stunts. We all know of someone who did something stupid and has faced a lifetime of consiquence. Nobody dares put a fake bomb in a school locker (Woz did that) or give false documents to police for fun. Such things are no longer jokes. They screw up entire lives. I used to ride fast motorcycles. I know people who ran from the police for fun. Better…

"Such things are no longer jokes. They screw up entire lives." But should they screw up lives? Why should we put up with authorities that can't take a joke. This is the foundation of the culture of defiance that hacking was all about expressing.

They shouldn't, but they do. Just because a law or policy is wrong doesn't mean it isn't a solid reality that other people cannot afford to joke about. I'm not s fan of US drug policy, but I wouldn't dare carry a bag of false drugs just to make fun of police officers who cannot tell the difference.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Woz didn't lie according to his account. Technically, he gave a fake ID, but not a fake drivers license. I say this b/c DL's don't show occupation. My understanding is that it had his correct name. So I don't see a lie that most prosecutors would care about given the whole situation. Not to mention that it is not a good look for a secret service agent to not know the details of the actual currency he is tasked to pro…

Are you even legally required to provide ID to a federal officer? I know in some states that you are not required to provide ID to a police officer unless there is evidence you have committed a crime. Quite a few ornery citizens like to video themselves rejecting police officer's requests for ID.

1. Not being required to provide id is not a defense against actively lying to a officer.

2. If you are reasonably suspected of being involved in something illegal, you can be detained until identified by some means.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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post #210

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"Better camera tech in recent years means nobody gets away with that anymore." Because police rely on technology committing a crime without your cellphone means you most likely will not get caught. We live in an age where wearing masks is acceptable. Where people let you steal from stores and where crime is ignored unless it's on twitter. You can get away with so much more today.

I don't know about how ubiquitous cameras are in NYC, but in China you will absolutely get caught by cameras, and no, a mask will not help you.

Better dash camera on police cars, and police body cams, mean they always have your plate number. You cannot run for fun if they already know where you live/work.

Re: Steve Wozniak used to tip from printed sheets of $2 bills

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Sometimes. I used to buy the sheets and rip out bills with half a bill on the surrounding 4 edges. They make fun party gifts. https://s3.sneak.cloud/sneak-public/2003/2003-02-19.jpg

I really like this image: It's eight days older than me, but the quality is as good as it gets. Most of the photos I have from my early years are quite low-res because they were taken with early digital cameras. Hope these people are doing well!

How do you know the age?
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