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Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by imoverclocked »

tacker2000 wrote: post #475
imoverclocked wrote: post #310

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This. Apple did this against its own interests as a privacy first company as a way to reduce a real world problem. Personal privacy has always been at odds with law enforcement and Apple is one company that has taken real steps to restrict the unimpeded flow of personal information into governments. The way the CSAM database and checking was implemented was still in a privacy preserving way that made every effort to…

Is there any law that required Apple to do this? On a global scale even?

While I’m unsure of laws on a global scale, I do know that law enforcement has repeatedly and publicly pressured Apple for keys-to-the-kingdom style access to customer devices. The justification is often a case that seems unredeemable to the average Joe. I know this from articles that have previously hit HN’s front page.

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Post by datavirtue »

ghusbands wrote: post #322
irq-1 wrote: post #309

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This sounds like experts criticizing Wikipedia, before it dominated. Mostly true and mostly accurate information is useful beyond what we normally think. Remember how people use to criticize the newspapers? They'd say they read an article on a subject they new something about and were shocked at how bad it was. Then they'd conclude that the rest of the news was just as bad. What wasn't acknowledged was the utility of…

While I use ChatGPT myself, its ability to invent true-seeming information is insidious. One of the early popular examples was asking ChatGPT what the downsides are of generics in TypeScript, and it cited that they're not compatible with some browsers/runtimes. It's entirely believable, but entirely wrong, and actually quite hard to confirm either way with internet searches. It's the sort of thing people would readil…

I would ask it if it's sure.

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Post by tinus_hn »

dekhn wrote: post #510
tinus_hn wrote: post #491

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Google is the initial assignee and a patent provides exclusionary rights to the inventor of a technology. Great if someone else thought of it earlier but no one published anything using it or thought to get a patent, because otherwise this very important patent would have been void and it wasn’t.

Robin Li's rankdex patent predates pagerank, see https://patents.google.com/patent/US5920859A/en?oq=US5920859... as well as the pagerank patent, which cites it.

Patent US9165040B1 does not cite US5920859A, I’m not sure what you mean.

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Post by M4v3R »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #124
M4v3R wrote: post #61

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I recently switched to Kagi and it’s the first time I don’t want to go back to Google. And I tried many other search engines in the past, none of them stuck with me.

Indeed for technical queries it really feels like a verbatim depth crawler and really makes me feel like a search 'power-user' again. For product search or regional results it's still not there but I specifically pay for Kagi for technical queries (after growing frustration with other engines) and I am very happy with that use-case.

Correct, for up-to-date and regional queries Kagi still is a bit lacking, it's the only reason I sometimes fire up Google.

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Post by gremlinsinc »

amf12 wrote: post #360
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You could use any search engine, and just gather 'decent' results -- scrape the first 3 results and compare using a new instance of a language model to tell you what's inaccurate in the first one based off the fine tuning data.

I'm wondering what happens when most people start using chat bots and stop using search. There'd need to be a big shift from using user's navigation as a signal and for search engine to determine the quality and authority of the content. How would the next gen web be? Would people even create webpages anymore? How would these be funded if people aren't navigating to these sites and just using chatbots.

Google's already given up on search, google any programming topic and you get stackoverflow-scraped spam everywhere even BEFORE the stackoverflow post it was scraped from. Google's no better than altavista circa 1997 at this point imho. Brave search is better for most things, and if it misses then consult google, etc.

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Post by gremlinsinc »

layer8 wrote: post #364
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You could use any search engine, and just gather 'decent' results -- scrape the first 3 results and compare using a new instance of a language model to tell you what's inaccurate in the first one based off the fine tuning data.

Yeah, if I can't trust the intial answer, I also can't trust any of the refinements. It will be a long way before you can get a similar level of assurance by asking a number of different language models as you can get now by looking at various sources around the web.

what if you google something, then check the links that google brings up that seem most likely to help you, it remembers that (reinforcement learning), 10 other people search almost the same phrase and pick maybe 60% of your links, after 100% and maybe a decent idea of which links are the best, it'll just return the links along w/ a summary of the details from each of them, without overlap, so maybe one page has top 4 x, and the other top 3, and another top5, well it'll give you a venn diagram summary of those 3 pages and maybe of the 12 listings, 3 are common so it only summarizes the 9 unique ones.

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Post by gremlinsinc »

ekam wrote: post #357
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It wouldn't be too hard to program at least gpt3 to basically take a chatGPT answer, go to google, scrape results and verify if the chatGPT answer was factual or not and maybe give it a score or rating of factual-ness.

If it’s that easy why don’t you do it? You’ll be printing money

Simple answer adhd, if I could ship a product I'd already probably be rich, instead I'm scraping by as a freelance dev. Though, chatGPT probably could help me code it anyways lol.
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