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Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Post by shapefrog »

AlbertCory wrote: post #307
steveBK123 wrote: post #289

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GSuite is either underpriced or underfeatured. Most real enterprise still happens on Office, and lots of consumers happy give Apple $100/year for iCloud. Cloud services - aren't they basically 3rd behind AMZN/MSFT now, by A LOT? They are basically competing for 3rd against IBM/Oracle/etc, and some quarters they are #4.

No arguments there. They're still trying; just not hard enough.

They're still trying; really really hard. But they are just not good enough.

Maybe like Zuck they are / were a one trick pony. Perhaps becoming a multi billionaire is not proof that you can invent and monetize something anytime anywhere in any industry on demand.

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Post by shapefrog »

hgsgm wrote: post #340
gremlinsinc wrote: post #332

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I didn't even know this WAS a thing, I could probably do this between myself and ChatGPT and make millions. ;)

Are you prettiet then Simon and a smoother talker? It's a crowded competitive market. The content has always been the easiest part.

You also have to have no shame or dignity.

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Post by _Algernon_ »

vageli wrote: post #94
_Algernon_ wrote: post #68

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Instead of the focus on AI, I'd like to see something like Shortcuts on iOS, which allows users to automate frequent tasks, and due to being developed by Google it would be a first class citizen of the OS, for which app developers will add integrations. That way it at least serves the user, and not a paperclip maximiser for engagement.

Google has something similar to Shortcuts, called Action Blocks.

Doesn't provide automation (actions must be manually triggered) or extendability (app developers being incentivized to add custom actions for their apps).

Seems to be just another case of a half-assed Google product which is destined to die on https://killedbygoogle.com/ in a few months / years, sadly.

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Post by eric4smith »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #223
eric4smith wrote: post #151

A lot of my reason for googling was to find facts or answers for what I’m writing or coding. Now I use ChatGPT as an “assistant” to do a lot of tasks that I would have normally done with laborious searching through google. It truly saves a lot of time. Google is right to be quite worried. Sure I still use google but really, maybe only 40% of as much time as I did before. Why research: “give me 30 of the most common h…

I don’t really get your example. You could search for common liver conditions and then get a link to WebMD or Mayo Clinic very, very quickly and you can be very confident that it is accurate. If I’m a 4th grader using ChatGPT to cheat on my math homework, I might be quite satisfied with the answer that 42 is a prime number and even provide its great proof.

The point is to get the list quickly.

Then the next point is to summarize each item.

Then I can go in and validate the info from other sources and clean up the writing to my style.

Get it now?

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Post by tacker2000 »

imoverclocked wrote: post #310
namdnay wrote: post #23

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The child porn check is to please the government, not shareholders

This. Apple did this against its own interests as a privacy first company as a way to reduce a real world problem. Personal privacy has always been at odds with law enforcement and Apple is one company that has taken real steps to restrict the unimpeded flow of personal information into governments. The way the CSAM database and checking was implemented was still in a privacy preserving way that made every effort to…

Is there any law that required Apple to do this? On a global scale even?

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Post by brewtide »

bamboozled wrote: post #455
viscanti wrote: post #411

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Anyone criticizing ChatGPT now isn't thinking about what's possible with GPT-4 or GPT-5 when lots of research has gone into getting it to be better with answering accuracy. It doesn't take too much of an imagination to see a path where people aren't doing nearly as many searches on a search engine and just asking questions to something like ChatGPT.

I can also see this being a major drawback. Any bias is everyone’s bias. Not saying it doesn’t happy at all today . But wow, scary

It's always been my belief that the full on faith put into future AI will be "how the AI takes over".

We will look at these things as devine correctness, and eventually forget their human construction entirely.

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Post by svantana »

bagacrap wrote: post #435
unsupp0rted wrote: post #110

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If ChatGPT had up to the minute crawl results and my Geo location, that'd be enough. "Help me buy whichever budget electric range Wirecutter recommends at the moment". > Okay, here's the store near your home that is selling the Frigidaire electric range that Wirecutter is currently recommending, at the best price. > Would you like to buy it online at roughly the same price or get the address of the store?

I don't understand how this is different from what Google currently provides, except that it skips one step (navigating to wire cutter, selecting some text and right clicking, then "search web for [product name]"). The only difference, which is not an improvement, is that you've suddenly given Wirecutter total power. At least if you make users visit the site and read a bit of the review, the reviewer has the hurdle o…

Right! I think most people are uncomfortable with totally outsourcing their decisions, however smart the service is. I want to do my own research, and feel like I've gotten a good overview of the market before I commit.

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Post by datr »

archagon wrote: post #193
rapsey wrote: post #174

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These arguments are just like the old days when wikipedia showed up. Don't miss the forest for the trees. ChatGPT is a huge threat to google and a bunch of other industries.

Not comparable. Wikipedia has always had a strict policy on citing sources. ChatGPT can't cite sources by design, because its answers are based on synthesis.

Not true. The verifiability policy only really came into effect in 2006 (https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2006-July/050...) - five years after Wikipedia started.

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Post by pnt12 »

metadat wrote: post #372
65 wrote: post #203

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It's hard for me to move off Spotify because their API is far better for finding new music than anything else out there. I have some cron jobs running that generate new playlists every day with very specific targets (e.g. "min_instrumentalness" on a track) while still being random enough to have variety. If Spotify ever shuts down their API like how Twitter has done, then I'll move to something else.

I'm intrigued. Are you able to share these scripts?

I'm also interested in them!
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