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Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Google is getting worse and worse. Today I searched for exact term “boat skipper b”. Google threw ton of trash at me. Ended looking through Bing results and found what I needed. 2/3 of my Google searches are not usable to me. Some advertisement and shady websites as results.

I recently switched to Kagi and it’s the first time I don’t want to go back to Google. And I tried many other search engines in the past, none of them stuck with me.

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> ... i can't wait for them to crash completely. But wouldn't Google, even without search ads (which are only up +4% YOY to $40 bn), still be a hundred of billions behemoth? Sure it wouldn't have a 1.3 trillion cap without search ads but Google is also Android, Chrome, ChromeOS, Google Workspace / Google Suite (which, what, 7 millions of SMEs are using), cloud services, etc. I don't see Google "crashing completely" a…

Forgot YouTube, which literally has no competitors.

Rumble, odyssey, rokfin, bitchute

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Apple still do plenty of AI, no? Eg the whole horse-detection thing. Maybe it’s something more specific that you dislike?

Apple's AI is on your phone. It unobtrusive. Recently I needed to quickly find a company's QR code which I had photographed and Photos search found it in an instance. It even finds text inside images. Am sure Android has these features but I don't know if they work offline.

> Apple's AI is on your phone. It unobtrusive. Recently I needed to quickly find a company's QR code which I had photographed and Photos search found it in an instance.

I believe the iPhone automatically classifies photos based on who or what show up in them. Users can contribute to train classifiers, but the iPhone already works out of the box.

The iPhone also creates theme-based photo albums from the photos you took. I recall it creating Christmas photo books, photo books featuring a pair of people, persons and pets, etc.

This might be low-key AI, but it's the useful kind.

> It even finds text inside images.

I'm not sure OCR counts as AI. But yeah, the iPhone indeed does that too. We can take a photo of a telephone number or even a credit card and automatically fill in those numbers.

I worked on a similar feature in the past for an unrelated project, but that was not AI though. Marketing changes though.

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I've played with ChatGPT and see it as (at best) just complimentary to existing approaches. Unfortunately, I also see it as a vector of misinformation and potentially harmful. It appears highly knowledgeable on topics that I know little about, but otherwise it's replies are often riddled with errors and inaccuracies. It also seems unable to quote sources or references for such information. It seems reasonable to use…

I think this is called Knoll's law of media accuracy [0] or wikipedia [1] - "Everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true except for the rare story of which you happen to have firsthand knowledge". Interestingly enough, I tried asking ChatGPT what it was before googling it, and it confidently told me I was asking about "Confirmation Bias." But then when I told it what I was talking about was indeed Knoll'…

It did the same thing for me on Gell-Mann amnesia, which is the same concept. Read carefully, it's a particularly good example of "wrong but highly convincing":

> Gell-Mann amnesia is a term coined by science writer Michael Crichton to describe the phenomenon where people tend to forget information that contradicts their preconceptions or beliefs. The term is named after physicist Murray Gell-Mann, who won the 1969 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on the theory of elementary particles.

> According to Crichton, Gell-Mann amnesia occurs when people encounter information that contradicts their beliefs, but rather than updating their beliefs to reflect the new information, they simply forget the information and continue to hold onto their preconceptions. This type of cognitive bias can be a significant barrier to learning and can lead to flawed decision-making.

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Oh come on, Apple has had numerous privacy issues as well. What about uploading every photo to their server to check for child porn? What about uploading every binary you run to their server to check if its “approved”? People really need to put down their “sheeple” glasses. Apple is a huge public company like all the others, beholden to profit their shareholders and thats it. All that virtue signalling that they do i…

> What about uploading every photo to their server to check for child porn? I don't believe that's true. If you use iCloud it goes to their server but if you aren't backing up to their service they are not checking. What was controversial was they were going to check on the device itself so even if you didn't use iCloud your phone was getting scanned.

Using iCloud is the incentivized default (like using an online account on Windows), so it applies to most users.

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> The demo for the chatbot search says Google will prioritize “getting facts right, ensuring safety and getting rid of misinformation,” This goes to the chaotic problem which is still to be decided. There is no consensus position on what facts are, what is safe and what is misinformation. Part of the success of modern democracy hinges on being able to switch the leadership out with people who have a different frame o…

You're talking about interpretation. Facts are facts.

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> Google announced it’s laying off more than 12,000 employees and focusing on AI as a domain of primary importance. I have had an Android phone since Froyo. I liked it when the functionality was simple and didn't try to inject too much suggestions / AI. Now, Google Photos app is trying to suggest things to print, the Settings app is trying to predict when and how to charge my battery (I just want it 80%, all the time…

Instead of the focus on AI, I'd like to see something like Shortcuts on iOS, which allows users to automate frequent tasks, and due to being developed by Google it would be a first class citizen of the OS, for which app developers will add integrations.

That way it at least serves the user, and not a paperclip maximiser for engagement.

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After trying out their adwords platform for a year combined with the fact that search in general has plummeted in quality i can't wait for them to crash completely. Adwords is such a scummy endeavour that squeezes more or less all companies using it, but more so smaller players. They are not a friendly company. They are a MegaCorp that is so monopolistic and dark (design) in its behaviours it's incredible that it's l…

Anyone else experienced google trying to be too clever for their own good lately? I've had a couple of searches where they incorrectly started recognising synonyms that didn't fit the context (e.g. file+extensions -> file+plugins).

For now duckduckgo works a lot better when you want to search for literal keywords.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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They are the least “open” company out there. They are also nosy about your business and always “afraid” you are doing something you shouldn’t be doing. Unless you are paying for the API of course. They went from very open to very closed and “private” to open up again because competition caught up with them (lookup mid-journey for example).

demonstrably untrue; between google announcing models but never releasing them and anthropic being invite only theres plenty of competition for that title

I would not have criticized if they started as a "private" AI company, or hey, just an AI company trying to figure it out in this market. Every one is. However, they took the higher morale ground and named themselves as such: OpenAI. And as soon as they had some good results (gpt-2 and gpt-3) they flipped instantly. I think, they thought, that they had a unique edge comparing to anyone else, and they'll own the market.

They are wrong, and I think in the future, they'll be just another AI company out there.

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