20 new AI based products this year? We might need to order some headstones.
Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
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Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#32After trying out their adwords platform for a year combined with the fact that search in general has plummeted in quality i can't wait for them to crash completely. Adwords is such a scummy endeavour that squeezes more or less all companies using it, but more so smaller players. They are not a friendly company. They are a MegaCorp that is so monopolistic and dark (design) in its behaviours it's incredible that it's l…
> dark design I wonder how much of Google's revenue is from Foobarbazz Corp buying ads for Foobarbazz searches. The conversion rate for those searches is probably really high since the consumer was going there anyway. It is like a silent agreement between marketing folks and Google to pretend it is value for money.
Google tax. Why such patterns are not outlawed?
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google has lots of useful products that aren’t advertising-based, but they mostly seem to be loss leaders. It seems by their own making, too: they famously shut down everything after a long enough experiment phase of, “how might we leverage this to sell ads?” Something like 80% of Google’s revenue is advertising.
> Google has lots of useful products that aren’t advertising-based, but they mostly seem to be loss leaders. which ones ? I lost track of google products in the recent years
youtube, GCP, android/pixel.
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple has privacy in the forefront of its ecosystem.
Oh come on, Apple has had numerous privacy issues as well. What about uploading every photo to their server to check for child porn? What about uploading every binary you run to their server to check if its “approved”? People really need to put down their “sheeple” glasses. Apple is a huge public company like all the others, beholden to profit their shareholders and thats it. All that virtue signalling that they do i…
> They are not any better or worse than MS/Google/Amazon etc…
You sure? I would be surprised if MS, Google and Amazon are the same when it comes to how they handle and use PII. Note that I say that "I doubt", because without having gone the length of issuing a GDPR right of access request with any and all of them it is more of a gut feeling based on personal experience than hard facts.
> What about uploading every binary you run to their server to check if its “approved”?
You are either being dishonest or misinformed. For one, they don't upload binaries. Secondly, the more important function is checking that it isn't known malware, and thirdly they also do not (no longer) log PII like IP address or user id when performing the check. [1]
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google has lots of useful products that aren’t advertising-based, but they mostly seem to be loss leaders. It seems by their own making, too: they famously shut down everything after a long enough experiment phase of, “how might we leverage this to sell ads?” Something like 80% of Google’s revenue is advertising.
> Google has lots of useful products that aren’t advertising-based, but they mostly seem to be loss leaders. which ones ? I lost track of google products in the recent years
The stuff they charge for that makes up the rest of their revenue:
Cloud, Photos, Drive storage, YouTube Premium, etc.
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#36I've played with ChatGPT and see it as (at best) just complimentary to existing approaches. Unfortunately, I also see it as a vector of misinformation and potentially harmful. It appears highly knowledgeable on topics that I know little about, but otherwise it's replies are often riddled with errors and inaccuracies. It also seems unable to quote sources or references for such information. It seems reasonable to use…
I think this is called Knoll's law of media accuracy [0] or wikipedia [1] - "Everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true except for the rare story of which you happen to have firsthand knowledge". Interestingly enough, I tried asking ChatGPT what it was before googling it, and it confidently told me I was asking about "Confirmation Bias."
But then when I told it what I was talking about was indeed Knoll's Law, it got the definition of the law completely wrong!
> I apologize for any confusion. You are correct, what you're describing is known as "Knoll's Law of Media Accuracy." It states that the accuracy of a story is inversely proportional to the number of people involved in its reporting, and the distance from the original source of information. In other words, the more people involved in reporting a story, the more likely it is to be inaccurate, and the further away the story is from the original source, the more likely it is to be inaccurate.
This is one of the worst answers the bot has ever given me, and I've asked it a wide variety of prompts, from things I know to things I don't, including having it generate me fictional responses.
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#37After trying out their adwords platform for a year combined with the fact that search in general has plummeted in quality i can't wait for them to crash completely. Adwords is such a scummy endeavour that squeezes more or less all companies using it, but more so smaller players. They are not a friendly company. They are a MegaCorp that is so monopolistic and dark (design) in its behaviours it's incredible that it's l…
> ... i can't wait for them to crash completely. But wouldn't Google, even without search ads (which are only up +4% YOY to $40 bn), still be a hundred of billions behemoth? Sure it wouldn't have a 1.3 trillion cap without search ads but Google is also Android, Chrome, ChromeOS, Google Workspace / Google Suite (which, what, 7 millions of SMEs are using), cloud services, etc. I don't see Google "crashing completely" a…
It feels like 2007 to me again, when Vista was flopping and everyone was announcing the year of Linux on the desktop.
It's definitely opening a window of opportunity for a competitor, but that doesn't guarantee anyone's success (or failure).
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#38After trying out their adwords platform for a year combined with the fact that search in general has plummeted in quality i can't wait for them to crash completely. Adwords is such a scummy endeavour that squeezes more or less all companies using it, but more so smaller players. They are not a friendly company. They are a MegaCorp that is so monopolistic and dark (design) in its behaviours it's incredible that it's l…
> ... i can't wait for them to crash completely. But wouldn't Google, even without search ads (which are only up +4% YOY to $40 bn), still be a hundred of billions behemoth? Sure it wouldn't have a 1.3 trillion cap without search ads but Google is also Android, Chrome, ChromeOS, Google Workspace / Google Suite (which, what, 7 millions of SMEs are using), cloud services, etc. I don't see Google "crashing completely" a…
They have been slowly removing targeting tools to make your spend less efficient too. You can't even target exact queries anymore without it pulling in 500 others Google's AI thinks is a match.
On top of that there is definitely a pay-to-play tier if you are a huge advertiser. You'll find many of the big boys double and triple serving ads under small sub brands, which is against Google policy. You can report it and Google just ignores you.
How about those pages that are just lists of more syndicated Google search ads? Clearly a "bridge page" which is a policy violation but it's some bigger spender behind it.
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#39> Google announced it’s laying off more than 12,000 employees and focusing on AI as a domain of primary importance. I have had an Android phone since Froyo. I liked it when the functionality was simple and didn't try to inject too much suggestions / AI. Now, Google Photos app is trying to suggest things to print, the Settings app is trying to predict when and how to charge my battery (I just want it 80%, all the time…
Apple does the same horseshit with battery charging guessing. Just give me a toggle setting for stop at 80% full.
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
> dark design I wonder how much of Google's revenue is from Foobarbazz Corp buying ads for Foobarbazz searches. The conversion rate for those searches is probably really high since the consumer was going there anyway. It is like a silent agreement between marketing folks and Google to pretend it is value for money.
Google tax. Why such patterns are not outlawed?
Why don’t you think through the implications of your question? You say outlawed. Ok then, write a hypothetical law that would outlaw this behaviour. Remember, this law should be general enough to apply to advertising or internet advertising in general. The more specific it gets (“search engine advertising firm beginning with G”) the less likely it’ll stand up to judicial scrutiny.
It would only take a second for you to realise that the answer to your question is “it’s not done because it’s hard to formulate a law that’s fair, will pass judicial review, won’t be circumvented, won’t lead to unintended consequences and will achieve the intended effect”.
All that before we get to lobbying. Because even if you formulate this perfect law, there’s still an open question of how you plan to enact this legislation.