I've played with ChatGPT and see it as (at best) just complimentary to existing approaches. Unfortunately, I also see it as a vector of misinformation and potentially harmful. It appears highly knowledgeable on topics that I know little about, but otherwise it's replies are often riddled with errors and inaccuracies. It also seems unable to quote sources or references for such information. It seems reasonable to use a statistical process to generate conversational chat and boilerplate, but as a source of truth, it appears not.
Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
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Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#22After trying out their adwords platform for a year combined with the fact that search in general has plummeted in quality i can't wait for them to crash completely. Adwords is such a scummy endeavour that squeezes more or less all companies using it, but more so smaller players. They are not a friendly company. They are a MegaCorp that is so monopolistic and dark (design) in its behaviours it's incredible that it's l…
> dark design
I wonder how much of Google's revenue is from Foobarbazz Corp buying ads for Foobarbazz searches.
The conversion rate for those searches is probably really high since the consumer was going there anyway.
It is like a silent agreement between marketing folks and Google to pretend it is value for money.
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple has privacy in the forefront of its ecosystem.
Oh come on, Apple has had numerous privacy issues as well. What about uploading every photo to their server to check for child porn? What about uploading every binary you run to their server to check if its “approved”? People really need to put down their “sheeple” glasses. Apple is a huge public company like all the others, beholden to profit their shareholders and thats it. All that virtue signalling that they do i…
The child porn check is to please the government, not shareholders
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#24> Google announced it’s laying off more than 12,000 employees and focusing on AI as a domain of primary importance.
I have had an Android phone since Froyo. I liked it when the functionality was simple and didn't try to inject too much suggestions / AI. Now, Google Photos app is trying to suggest things to print, the Settings app is trying to predict when and how to charge my battery (I just want it 80%, all the time).
The more AI Google applies to my life, the more I want to escape it. I remember, when it was said people pay a premium for Apple products because they want privacy. I wonder if it will also become, people migrate to Apple to escape AI.
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#25> Google announced it’s laying off more than 12,000 employees and focusing on AI as a domain of primary importance. I have had an Android phone since Froyo. I liked it when the functionality was simple and didn't try to inject too much suggestions / AI. Now, Google Photos app is trying to suggest things to print, the Settings app is trying to predict when and how to charge my battery (I just want it 80%, all the time…
Apple still do plenty of AI, no? Eg the whole horse-detection thing. Maybe it’s something more specific that you dislike?
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#26I wonder where Google ("improving quality to compete") and Open ai/Microsoft ("reducing quality to advertise") will end up meeting. If GPTSearch ends up as infested with spam and ads as Google it will be little more than a new input interface with embedded ads in the output. Part of the appeal right now (for me) is it's lack of SEO spam and over the top ads. That won't last (obviously), at least not for their mainstr…
I still would pay for good search without ads. Definitely google should make more than me clicking ads, which, in the past 20 years (or however long it is that google has apps), happened 0 times. I know why, but there must be a model that works like that?
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#27I perceive google as a less stable company than most. An equally effective product in any of the areas they occupy, coupled with leadership and commitment to not shut the product down after six months isn’t that high of a bar to compete with, should someone else desire. The real issue is Google is in bed with the CIA and many other agencies and are willing to play ball for all kinds of kickbacks. Competing with their…
Google has lots of useful products that aren’t advertising-based, but they mostly seem to be loss leaders. It seems by their own making, too: they famously shut down everything after a long enough experiment phase of, “how might we leverage this to sell ads?” Something like 80% of Google’s revenue is advertising.
> Google has lots of useful products that aren’t advertising-based, but they mostly seem to be loss leaders.
which ones ? I lost track of google products in the recent years
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#28I wonder where Google ("improving quality to compete") and Open ai/Microsoft ("reducing quality to advertise") will end up meeting. If GPTSearch ends up as infested with spam and ads as Google it will be little more than a new input interface with embedded ads in the output. Part of the appeal right now (for me) is it's lack of SEO spam and over the top ads. That won't last (obviously), at least not for their mainstr…
I still would pay for good search without ads. Definitely google should make more than me clicking ads, which, in the past 20 years (or however long it is that google has apps), happened 0 times. I know why, but there must be a model that works like that?
Kagi.com - paid for, ad free, searching.
I don’t work for Kagi, just a very, very happy user.
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#29After trying out their adwords platform for a year combined with the fact that search in general has plummeted in quality i can't wait for them to crash completely. Adwords is such a scummy endeavour that squeezes more or less all companies using it, but more so smaller players. They are not a friendly company. They are a MegaCorp that is so monopolistic and dark (design) in its behaviours it's incredible that it's l…
> ... i can't wait for them to crash completely.
But wouldn't Google, even without search ads (which are only up +4% YOY to $40 bn), still be a hundred of billions behemoth? Sure it wouldn't have a 1.3 trillion cap without search ads but Google is also Android, Chrome, ChromeOS, Google Workspace / Google Suite (which, what, 7 millions of SMEs are using), cloud services, etc.
I don't see Google "crashing completely" anytime soon.
Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight
#30I wonder where Google ("improving quality to compete") and Open ai/Microsoft ("reducing quality to advertise") will end up meeting. If GPTSearch ends up as infested with spam and ads as Google it will be little more than a new input interface with embedded ads in the output. Part of the appeal right now (for me) is it's lack of SEO spam and over the top ads. That won't last (obviously), at least not for their mainstr…
I still would pay for good search without ads. Definitely google should make more than me clicking ads, which, in the past 20 years (or however long it is that google has apps), happened 0 times. I know why, but there must be a model that works like that?
I would do too but apparently big companies doing search right now aren't interested.
To me at least there is no indication that AI will fundamentally change that (unfortunately).