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Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Related, and I'm most probably missing something, but is there a way to use/test ChatGPT without having to create an account on OpenAI?

They are the least “open” company out there. They are also nosy about your business and always “afraid” you are doing something you shouldn’t be doing. Unless you are paying for the API of course. They went from very open to very closed and “private” to open up again because competition caught up with them (lookup mid-journey for example).

demonstrably untrue; between google announcing models but never releasing them and anthropic being invite only theres plenty of competition for that title

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After trying out their adwords platform for a year combined with the fact that search in general has plummeted in quality i can't wait for them to crash completely. Adwords is such a scummy endeavour that squeezes more or less all companies using it, but more so smaller players. They are not a friendly company. They are a MegaCorp that is so monopolistic and dark (design) in its behaviours it's incredible that it's l…

> ... i can't wait for them to crash completely. But wouldn't Google, even without search ads (which are only up +4% YOY to $40 bn), still be a hundred of billions behemoth? Sure it wouldn't have a 1.3 trillion cap without search ads but Google is also Android, Chrome, ChromeOS, Google Workspace / Google Suite (which, what, 7 millions of SMEs are using), cloud services, etc. I don't see Google "crashing completely" a…

Forgot YouTube, which literally has no competitors.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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After trying out their adwords platform for a year combined with the fact that search in general has plummeted in quality i can't wait for them to crash completely. Adwords is such a scummy endeavour that squeezes more or less all companies using it, but more so smaller players. They are not a friendly company. They are a MegaCorp that is so monopolistic and dark (design) in its behaviours it's incredible that it's l…

> ... i can't wait for them to crash completely. But wouldn't Google, even without search ads (which are only up +4% YOY to $40 bn), still be a hundred of billions behemoth? Sure it wouldn't have a 1.3 trillion cap without search ads but Google is also Android, Chrome, ChromeOS, Google Workspace / Google Suite (which, what, 7 millions of SMEs are using), cloud services, etc. I don't see Google "crashing completely" a…

IBM and GE are still around. Doesn't mean they haven't irreversibly peaked.

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I've played with ChatGPT and see it as (at best) just complimentary to existing approaches. Unfortunately, I also see it as a vector of misinformation and potentially harmful. It appears highly knowledgeable on topics that I know little about, but otherwise it's replies are often riddled with errors and inaccuracies. It also seems unable to quote sources or references for such information. It seems reasonable to use…

Never tried it myself, but a question comes to mind: Can you ask it to state how confident it is in the truth of its answer? Is it well-calibrated in that sense? If so, perhaps that'd make it more useful.

A related thing I've done --

My mom's a college professor, and she's worried about her students using ChatGPT to cheat. So she wants to engineer questions in a way that cheating is impossible, perhaps by even incorporating ChatGPT into the curriculum in some ways. To explore possibilities, she's enlisting my help. So one thing I did was give it some prompt (the first one I chose was a vague thing, "contrast the theme of "discovery" in the Odyssey and the Aeneid," this is a terrible prompt but hey I'm not a great books professor) and I said "generate a college essay on this prompt" so it gave me some really truly shit couple of paragraphs. Then I said "that's not really college-level writing can you try again." And then I had it repeat this maybe 3 or 4 times. Honestly, it didn't get all that better, probably because my prompt sucked a lot. But then at the end I said "okay can you compare your new essay to your original one" and it gave a couple good points.

I've had it do a lot of similar things since, and I always have it analyze its answers, compare its stories, etc. One HYSTERICAL answer that it gave was (and note that "The Great Migration" is a play that ChatGPT itself wrote itself in response to the prompt "can you write a play using the homeric tradition to talk about the great migration, as if you were august wilson"):

> As a language model, I don't have personal preferences, it is not possible for me to say which play is better. Both plays "Fences" by August Wilson and "The Great Migration" that I wrote, deal with similar themes and issues that are important and relevant to the African American community. "Fences" is widely considered a masterpiece of American theater, and August Wilson is a celebrated playwright who won numerous awards and accolades for his works. "Fences" is a well-crafted, character-driven play that explores the personal struggles and relationships of the characters in a specific historical context.

> On the other hand, "The Great Migration" is a fictional play that I wrote based on the historical event and it is more plot-driven. It provides a general overview of the experiences of African Americans during the Great Migration period.

> Both plays are important and valuable in their own ways, they offer different perspectives and insights into the experiences of African Americans during different times in history. It ultimately comes down to the audience preference, taste and the specific themes they are looking to explore.

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> ... i can't wait for them to crash completely. But wouldn't Google, even without search ads (which are only up +4% YOY to $40 bn), still be a hundred of billions behemoth? Sure it wouldn't have a 1.3 trillion cap without search ads but Google is also Android, Chrome, ChromeOS, Google Workspace / Google Suite (which, what, 7 millions of SMEs are using), cloud services, etc. I don't see Google "crashing completely" a…

Forgot YouTube, which literally has no competitors.

Maybe none for long pre-recorded video, but they haven't done a good job with YouTube Gaming or Shorts which are both defensive plays against growing competitors.

YouTube's decline will look more like an unbundling than a 1:1 replacement.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ... i can't wait for them to crash completely. But wouldn't Google, even without search ads (which are only up +4% YOY to $40 bn), still be a hundred of billions behemoth? Sure it wouldn't have a 1.3 trillion cap without search ads but Google is also Android, Chrome, ChromeOS, Google Workspace / Google Suite (which, what, 7 millions of SMEs are using), cloud services, etc. I don't see Google "crashing completely" a…

Forgot YouTube, which literally has no competitors.

What about TikTok? When I visit YouTube now the entire bottom half of the home page is "Shorts".

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> Google announced it’s laying off more than 12,000 employees and focusing on AI as a domain of primary importance. I have had an Android phone since Froyo. I liked it when the functionality was simple and didn't try to inject too much suggestions / AI. Now, Google Photos app is trying to suggest things to print, the Settings app is trying to predict when and how to charge my battery (I just want it 80%, all the time…

Notifications about printing photos are simple to configure. As are the "AI" battery charging options. Google uses AI in most of their products transparently, and we seldom realize it.

Re: Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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> Google announced it’s laying off more than 12,000 employees and focusing on AI as a domain of primary importance. I have had an Android phone since Froyo. I liked it when the functionality was simple and didn't try to inject too much suggestions / AI. Now, Google Photos app is trying to suggest things to print, the Settings app is trying to predict when and how to charge my battery (I just want it 80%, all the time…

You are so right. I like the Pixel phones, but all the big features of the later models were about being "more helpful". Or "more annoying" as I see it. Do not want! I just have to turn off all that crap if possible.

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Google is getting worse and worse. Today I searched for exact term “boat skipper b”. Google threw ton of trash at me. Ended looking through Bing results and found what I needed. 2/3 of my Google searches are not usable to me. Some advertisement and shady websites as results.

Search Tools > Verbatim

I have that option preset in the googling shortcut I use. The URL parameter for that is "tbs=li:1", see https://stenevang.wordpress.com/2013/02/22/google-advanced-p....

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