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Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight

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Actually Google got a patent for the concept of Pagerank, number US9165040B1.

You mean stanford. Getting a patent in no way means you were first.

Google is the initial assignee and a patent provides exclusionary rights to the inventor of a technology. Great if someone else thought of it earlier but no one published anything using it or thought to get a patent, because otherwise this very important patent would have been void and it wasn’t.

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They're still trying; really really hard. But they are just not good enough. Maybe like Zuck they are / were a one trick pony. Perhaps becoming a multi billionaire is not proof that you can invent and monetize something anytime anywhere in any industry on demand.

I think in some ways its the scale of the problems Google X / Other Bets / Alphabet went after being rather hyperbolic. Apple / Microsoft just take what they are good at to move into adjacent spaces in consumer/office tech. Apple has made some failed forays into corporate while Microsoft has not done terrible well in consumer other than gaming and maintaining their existing Windows base. I wonder if Apple leaks about…

A good analysis of Apple: capture the news cycle with your whiz bang thingie, and then forget about it.

> I still don't understand what Google's strategy is in almost any space

Not just you. The "strategy" is "ambitious product manager creates a new 'vision', sells it, gets promoted, then quickly moves on to something else."

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it's not ALL scattershot. GMail and Docs for enterprises are a pretty sustained effort. Cloud is pretty sustained. YouTube is unkillable. But in general you're right.

YouTube may be unkillable, but how much money do they make? Especially, what does the RoI look like compared to Twitch and TikTok?

I don't know, but it does seem like they've reached Peak Ad. The Rick Beato videos get interrupted at least four times with ads.

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I think in some ways its the scale of the problems Google X / Other Bets / Alphabet went after being rather hyperbolic. Apple / Microsoft just take what they are good at to move into adjacent spaces in consumer/office tech. Apple has made some failed forays into corporate while Microsoft has not done terrible well in consumer other than gaming and maintaining their existing Windows base. I wonder if Apple leaks about…

A good analysis of Apple: capture the news cycle with your whiz bang thingie, and then forget about it. > I still don't understand what Google's strategy is in almost any space Not just you. The "strategy" is "ambitious product manager creates a new 'vision', sells it, gets promoted, then quickly moves on to something else."

> A good analysis of Apple: capture the news cycle with your whiz bang thingie, and then forget about it.

I kind of don't agree there. Apple really only officially announces, demos and talks about products they have to sell you right now.

About the only vaporware I can remember from them in the last decade was that stupid dual charging puck thing they just quietly walked back from.

The only released & quietly abandoned product in recent memory would be the iPod Hi-Fi dock boombox thing.

So when Apple announces something I'm 99% confident it will make it will be released within days/weeks. And when it is released, I'm 95% confident the product line will exist in 5 years.

Google, for me, those numbers are like 70% & 20%. Which is why I rarely waste my time to look at anything new from them. Odds are its either not something I need, or if I need it.. won't be long for this world, so why bother.

I think they clearly feed rumors to journalists about stuff that is further back in the development pipeline, to the point that the conspirational minded might think its to throw off competitor from the right course..

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Yes this is the most insane thing about GOOG to me. Yes, search is basically monopoly moat of recurring growing revenue. On the other hand, they've spent not a decade, but about 25 years betting this would remain the case! I've met a lot of people who work at GOOG, and yet none of them could explain to me how the thing they work on makes any money for GOOG. In fact, most went out of their way to volunteer to me that…

> not bother to find some other ways to make money. Oh, they definitely tried, and still try. The problem is the same as many large companies: they want a new trick as lucrative as the old trick, and there aren't any.

They don't nurture any new tricks long enough to actually prove it out. Their product graveyard is like the SV equivalent to the city of Colma. From Wikipedia: "With most of Colma's land dedicated to cemeteries, the population of the dead—not specifically known but speculated to be around 1.5 million—outnumbers that of the living by a ratio of nearly a thousand to one. This has led to Colma being called "the City of the Silent" and has given rise to a humorous motto, formerly featured on the city's website: "It's great to be alive in Colma""

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Amazon makes more on shopping ads than google now. You could say google is no longer in first position for shopping search. Reddit is chipping away the Q&A search, but time will tell if it has a similar downfall to quora/yahoo-answers. I’ve seen TikTok lead in educational search, cooking, gardening etc. TikTok could potentially overtake YouTube all together over next 5-10years. Google maps isn’t as far ahead as it on…

I think Google Maps is already losing. I was a faithful user since it came out. Game Apple Maps a few tries but always went back. The past couple of years Google maps has gotten more glitchy, given worse directions, and most recently started showing extreme lag. Maps in CarPlay started falling behind real-time. First by a few seconds, then by minutes. Wasn’t sure if it was the car head unit, phone, reception or what.…

Isn't Apple maps only for Apple devices? If so no competition for GMaps.

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Doesn't provide automation (actions must be manually triggered) or extendability (app developers being incentivized to add custom actions for their apps). Seems to be just another case of a half-assed Google product which is destined to die on https://killedbygoogle.com/ in a few months / years, sadly.

Of course there are third party apps like Tasker that are much more capable than both action blocks and shortcuts.

They require messing with intents or web apis to do anything substantial. The original point is that the existence of Shortcuts incentivizes app developers to allow access to app functionality through custom actions. A third party automation app has no chance of building such an ecosystem. Google would have a chance.

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they spent years as well polishing their tools like google mail, docs, search and etc.. so i guess they still have a lot of enterprise or paid users, paying for their services. Actually the numbers are quite impressive[0]: "The global G suite business software market is expected to grow from US$ 2,224.76 million in 2021 to US$ 3,903.72 million by 2028; it is estimated to grow at a CAGR of 8.4% during 2021-2028. G sui…

2bi USD is like 1% of Google's annual operating expenses.

yup, but that would be a great way to google if they want to move away from ads. Years of software engineering in great apps, integrations, google maps, etc.. that's can for sure generate more $ if, they invest more time on that, but I agree that will never beat the ads machine.

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Rumble, odyssey, rokfin, bitchute

all of them account for less than 0.01% of YT traffic

And? Sounds like a good reason to use them, help the competing. No use sitting on YouTube complaining about youtube.

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Rumble, odyssey, rokfin, bitchute

Thanks for the list - I have not heard of any of these products. I would add vimeo to this list as well.

Yes vimeo has the nicest ui imo
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