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Post by mcculley »

enos_feedler wrote: post #320
mcculley wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just bill me by bandwidth used. It is ridiculous that one cannot buy a MacBook Pro with a cell modem. I fight with tethering at least once a week.

I think its less about money and more about network capacity and also ensuring your average mac user can leave it on without running up a surprise bill. Until users have good control with sane defaults it wont happen

You can buy a Dell with a cell modem. It’s more likely about the patent/royalty situation with Qualcomm. If Apple starts making their own cell modems, they will start putting them in laptops.

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Post by jeroenhd »

shagie wrote: post #266
jeroenhd wrote: post #180

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It's unfortunate that Apple can't figure out how to enable the algorithm they designed themselves on Android devices so the second device doesn't need to be an iPhone. I'm sure those smart engineers will figure out their own protocol choices some day if we just give them enough time.

The issue is likely one of "how do you ensure the security of the other device?" With Apple devices and the Secure Enclave ( https://support.apple.com/guide/security/secure-enclave-sec5... ), even Apple doesn't have the back doors to open it up and retrieve the keys from an arbitrary device. If you had a third party android device that made it, if those eyes were compromised you would have passive tracking of that in…

Apple is perfectly willing to forego privacy and security if an authoritarian country demands it, see China for the most well known example.

If a user trusts Google with their phone (and likely their location history and other such data) then I don't see why Apple's customers would care if Google would be able to track them. The American government already asks Google for all devices in the vicinity of a crime, it's not like someone's headphones won't be found another way.

Any hardware token storage can be compromised, pretending Apple's chips made in China are any different from Qualcom's chips made in China in that regard is useless.

I don't believe for a second that nation state spying is even remotely related to Apple deciding to cripple their products if you use them together with something they didn't make.

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Post by diydsp »

jrnichols wrote: post #272
diydsp wrote: post #182

Apple removed support for my wifi receiver one day out of the blue. Apple removed youtube from my appletv one day just out of the blue. So done with them!

What wifi receiver? Why is it up to Apple to support third party hardware? Youtube? That's not an Apple product. I don't recall the YouTube app ever being removed. What are you referring to?

It's called Apple Airport. See: It was made by Apple and they simply dropped support for it. They made a new version and I could buy it to get back what I used to have. https://www.macworld.com/article/671121/what-is-apple-airpor...

Here's an article about Apple dropping support for youtube playback. Part of the reason I bought the AppleTV was because it had support for youtube playback. Then they announced it was going away, and then they yanked the support, and then they announced I could buy a new AppleTV to get back what I used to have.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/3/22311881/apple-tv-2012-you...

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Post by gumby »

midoridensha wrote: post #283
gumby wrote: post #203

This is an interesting failure because AppleTVs are common in conference rooms (configured in conference room mode!). It wouldn't make sense for such a setup to even have an icloud account associated with it.

Maybe companies with conference rooms should think twice about using Apple equipment in a corporate environment then.

Well it makes it trivial to throw a display up on the big screen (either share screen or second display) if you have a mac or idevice. Of course if you can't operate it it's the opposite of trivial.

The worst case is someone from IT uses their own iphone to set it up, then leaves the company. I'm not sure you can even reset to factory settings without talking to the device.

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Post by riffraff »

shagie wrote: post #130
riffraff wrote: post #4

Apple won't let you use "find my device" on airpods unless you have an iPhone either, iirc. Its shitty behavior, but sadly unsurprising.

The "Find my" is tied to the Apple ID account. That's part of how the end to end security works ( https://support.apple.com/guide/security/find-my-security-se... /// https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/06/the-c... /// https://web.archive.org/web/20190609003010/https://www.wired... ) and yet allows the owner of the account to unlock the "where is it" pieces of information. It is through the iPhone that…

sure, but I own macs, which I can find via "find my", I see no reason why I need also an iPhone to enroll my ear plugs in it.

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Post by shagie »

riffraff wrote: post #325
shagie wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "Find my" is tied to the Apple ID account. That's part of how the end to end security works ( https://support.apple.com/guide/security/find-my-security-se... /// https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/06/the-c... /// https://web.archive.org/web/20190609003010/https://www.wired... ) and yet allows the owner of the account to unlock the "where is it" pieces of information. It is through the iPhone that…

sure, but I own macs, which I can find via "find my", I see no reason why I need also an iPhone to enroll my ear plugs in it.

You can. https://support.apple.com/guide/airpods/pair-airpods-1st-2nd...

You need to have a Mac with the appropriate Secure Enclave hardware and running the latest OS.

> After you set up your AirPods with one Apple device (like your iPhone), your AirPods connect automatically to your other Apple devices where you’re signed in with the same Apple ID.

Note the use of "like" - not exclusively.

    Pair AirPods with Mac
    Before you begin, make sure your Mac has the latest version of macOS installed.
    Open the case with your AirPods inside, then hold it next to your Mac.
    Press and hold the setup button on the back of the AirPods case for about five seconds, or until the status light flashes white.
    On your Mac, choose Apple menu  > System Preferences, then click Bluetooth.
    In the list of devices, select your AirPods, then click Connect
Note that the pairing of the AirPods to the Mac is done at the system level - not something that a user can run because it reaches into that Secure Enclave. Thus, to do this, you need a Mac that is running the latest OS. It also might be restricted to certain hardware ( different feature specs with https://support.apple.com/guide/security/secure-enclave-sec5... )

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Post by JadeNB »

sircastor wrote: post #280
JadeNB wrote: post #264

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> I would be more concerned about this if the competition in this space was not so disappointing this far. Why does less competition make you less concerned about anti-competitive behavior? Such behavior is never good, but it's self-correcting in a market with lots of choice, and not so in a market where there's only one great option (a judgment for which I have to take your word—a Casio F-91W is the right level of w…

Anti-competitive behavior is absolutely bad, no question, but the problem doesn't come across to me as Apple pushing competitors out of the market. It feels like other Smartwatch makers don't care to match the feature set or don't care to do it as well as Apple. When viewing market from an ecosystem point-of-view, there aren't comparable pairings of Android-phone-with-wearOS-Watch to iPhone-with-Apple-Watch. There ar…

> My point is, nobody seems to be fighting for this market except Apple. I could just be naive here, but it doesn't seem like anyone else cares enough for Apple to be anti-competitive.

You're right; I used the term "anti-competitive behavior", but that was the wrong word for what I was trying to say. I meant rather the lazy behavior of an established giant that doesn't have to compete, and so is content to let standards slip since they can be reasonably confident that it won't lose them any, or many, customers.

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Post by tails4e »

shagie wrote: post #269
tails4e wrote: post #189

This kind of policy is why I refuse to buy apple. My 14yr old daughter has an iPhone and I cannot administer it as a parent without owning an iPhone or similar device myself. A basic Web UI is all that's needed to access the screen time settings, but nope. It's clearly by design, you're either all in with them, or they dont want you.

If you could administer it from the phone, it would be possible for an enterprising child to remove those same restrictions on that device (how many stories have we heard of kids removing the parental control software from a computer?) If you could administer it from the phone, it could be used to partially lock you out of your own device if done by a 3rd party (loan to a friend, and you get it back and you can't use…

I want to do the opposite - i. e. administer it from another phone, or Web UI, which I have the password to.

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Post by mrwizrd »

mik1998 wrote: post #58
mklepaczewski wrote: post #35

Last time I checked a parent needed their own Apple device to set up app limits, downtime, accept/reject app installation requests on child's device. Thanks Apple. Now I have an option to give my kid unrestricted access to their device and to the whole Internet, or buy another IPhone just because my child uses Apple product.

Why would you buy your child an iphone if you don't have one?

Kids can be awful. Parents who don't have the income to buy even one of the newest iThing will stretch themselves to buy one for their kid if they think it'll help them fit in.
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