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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by stouset »

garyrob wrote: post #223
optymizer wrote: post #153

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

My own experience is different. \Years ago I would wait at least 6 months or more before doing a mac upgrade because of the inevitable problems. With Ventura I didn't even wait for the first point release, and had no problems whatsoever. (I did have two complete backups handy just in case.) I'm not invaliding your experience, just mentioning that others have different experiences.

Seconded. I've never hesitated with an OS upgrade, and I've never experienced anything resembling a critical issue.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by linhns »

itsoktocry wrote: post #441
optymizer wrote: post #153

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

> The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. Yeah, I feel the same. It's 180 degrees from a few years ago, when the MacBook specs were ho-hum but using MacOS was a big benefit (the physical hardware has always been great). The overall software experience with MacOS is now just "okay". The upgrade process is slow and there are a few UI quirks that other OS'…

I feel like Apple has forgotten what makes their Macs so successful, which is the seamless experience. I always wanted to own the latest one but not anymore, will stick with Linux.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by agloeregrets »

shrubble wrote: post #127

The ThinkPad P15 gen 1, shipped in 2020 with 128gb RAM available... for example: https://www.techradar.com/news/this-is-the-best-value-128gb-... So I don't see why Apple would make the claim that their 96gb setup can load models that PC laptops can't...

They are talking about how the M2 Max can flexibly address the near entirety (like 90GB) of that to VRAM, the example here is in video memory, not system memory. On that P15 you linked you have only 4GB VRAM. Comparatively it's kinda a joke for this specific tasks.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by arepublicadoceu »

ericpauley wrote: post #287
arepublicadoceu wrote: post #267

So the battery life is alluring me to splurge the money for this. But I’m a bit worried because my wife laptop, bought in 2018, already have a 5% health life on its nvme. I don’t worry as I can simply replace it but those macbooks have it soldered. So I guess my question is, what’s the expected lifespan of their SSDs? My current laptop will turn 11 this year, and after battery and ssd replacement it still works great…

Are you saying it's used 5% of its total life? That seems pretty good over 3+ years, for an estimated overall lifespan of 60 years. No doubt the machine will be replaced for some other reason by then.

5% left. Meaning that the ssd is almost dying.

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Post by joshenberg »

agloeregrets wrote: post #507
mattlondon wrote: post #484

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Yeah I thought this was quite disappointing too. "PCs can't even run this!" ....when using a PC with specs too low to run the specific thing we chose to do. "Mac's can't even run notepad.exe!" would be fair using Apple's approach to these kind of claims (i.e. choosing to run software with requirements that you know they cannot meet)

In fairness, Apple's claim is that no laptop can do it, and to that angle they are correct.

Would an eGPU enable certain laptops to do this? I get that that's 'cheating', but also is it? I need a shit ton of peripherals to run my Mac workstation

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Post by cpsns »

hirako2000 wrote: post #504
cpsns wrote: post #405

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I’ll never be overly critical of anyone’s computing choices, but this just seems like the worst of both worlds to me unless you specifically want to tinker with Apple-ARM Linux. Why not Linux on much better supported hardware from Lenovo or Dell? It just doesn’t make sense to me to buy such an expensive computer only to remove a core part of the package, Mac OS.

Because Lenovo, Dell don't make laptops as sleek as Apple's I still ditched Apple though, I don't regret having traded battery life for compatibility. Arm64 remains a pain over 2 years later and for many years to come.

How much does sleekness actually matter day to day? Both vendors offer very nice hardware these days, it’s not the bad days mid-00s anymore.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by maxim_b »

cloudengineer94 wrote: post #214

The M1 and M1 Pro chips are absolutely insane. Been using them ever since day 1 and for me there is no way to go back to using Arch Linux natively unless Qualcomm or someone else starts making some good ARM chips.

You embraced OS X now, or running Arch on a VM?

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Post by f6v »

itslennysfault wrote: post #332
optymizer wrote: post #153

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

I feel like people have ALWAYS had problems when upgrading MacOS (or OSX). However, those problems aren't with the OS itself usually, but 3rd party software that lags. For that reason I always intentionally lag 1 major version behind. I'll upgrade to Ventura whenever the next version is released. Been doing this forever and can't recommend it highly enough.

I’m sure there’s always been those who were affected. There’s always been those who weren’t. And I think the former tend to exaggerate.

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Post by snozolli »

lostlogin wrote: post #540
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #527

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macOS is almost getting worse than Windows, which is absolutely amazing. Every day i have to fight my macbook to get it to work properly. It’s slow to start up and external display is a daily struggle. And this is a 2019 i9, not some old slow machine

Give Windows 10 or 11 a try. It cured me of this feeling. The adverts in particular.

IMO, Windows is just fine with Classic Shell. I don't know how people get by without it since Windows 8.

http://www.classicshell.net/

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by stouset »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #437
smoldesu wrote: post #122

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In other words, they're absolutely using the Intel machine to bury the lede. Apple is now facing the same struggle as AMD and Intel. They have a generational processor product that relies on new silicon to get faster, and they can't get new silicon fast enough. The M2 was basically just a wattage-bump of the M1, and looking at the performance increase/processor count, I'm inclined to call the Pro/Max the same thing.…

I just got an M1 Pro MBP for work last week, so I was kicking myself a little when I saw this. Then I was less disappointed when I saw the only difference is a 20% speed increase for some apps, no changes to things I would actually care about, like adding a couple USB-A ports, or if the speed increase was > 50%. I do all compiling and heavy testing on servers, so the laptop is just for SSH, analysis software, and reg…

> or if the speed increase was > 50%

Frankly this speaks volumes about what a sea change the M1 was if people are hoping for a 50% performance increase between CPU generations.

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