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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by Yujf »

nomel wrote: post #421
mathverse wrote: post #335

The biggest issue I have with macbooks is that they are ridiculously expensive. They are intended to be portable devices but bringing them anywhere outside my apartment or office is just a huge risk.

> are ridiculously expensive What makes you say this? Have you speced two systems lately? Last I did, the MacBook was comparable to cheaper for the price/performance. Of course, a 10lb mobile desktop with a 30 minute battery was closest. What comparable notebook do you have in mind?

It depends on how you spec it. Apple charges an arm and a leg for ram/storage upgrades

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by jd3 »

mcv wrote: post #447
itsoktocry wrote: post #441

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> The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. Yeah, I feel the same. It's 180 degrees from a few years ago, when the MacBook specs were ho-hum but using MacOS was a big benefit (the physical hardware has always been great). The overall software experience with MacOS is now just "okay". The upgrade process is slow and there are a few UI quirks that other OS'…

Yeah, not as enthusiastic about OS X as I used to be, but I wish I had that kind of hardware in everything now.

Maybe it's my nostalgia/rose tinted glasses talking, but I recently used one of the old white plastic macbooks running Snow Leopard 10.6.8 and was shocked at how instantaneous the user interface felt in comparison with Ventura on a modern machine. Even small details, such as opening/closing windows and typing text into TextEdit feels like it has lower delay/input lag on the old hardware/software.

Had a similar feeling while playing with an old iPod touch running the skeuomorphic/pre-flat iOS when compared with a modern iPhone.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by scyzoryk_xyz »

incanus77 wrote: post #468
optymizer wrote: post #153

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

I have an M1 mini and an M1 Pro 14”, both with 16GB. I upgraded both to Ventura 13.1 and have really had zero issues with a variety of hardware setups. The software _design_ however… yes, Apple is sliding. The new Settings is a mess. It’s so disorienting, even when I put aside the fact that I had used the old, NeXT-derived one for 20 years. You just can’t find anything without search, which adds steps. There is a rel…

The settings window in MacOS needed to evolve IMHO. Just like the old disgusting confusing Windows settings/profilers/doodads, it worked only for old Mac power users. When the young audience is coming from iOS, MacOS has to satisfy what they’re used to. And Apple needs to stay consistent to not become like Windows.

As I age and switch constantly between OSes and devices for work, search has increasingly become my primary way of finding settings and whatnot. The part of my brain that remembers things spacially just doesn’t bother anymore.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by mattlondon »

trynewideas wrote: post #460

> With up to 96GB of unified memory in the M2 Max model, creators can work on scenes so large that PC laptops can’t even run them.4 ... > 4. Testing was conducted by Apple in November and December 2022 using preproduction 16-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M2 Max, 12-core CPU, 38-core GPU, 96GB of RAM, and 8TB SSD, as well as a production Intel Core i9-based PC system with NVIDIA Quadro RTX 6000 graphics with 24G…

Yeah I thought this was quite disappointing too.

"PCs can't even run this!" ....when using a PC with specs too low to run the specific thing we chose to do.

"Mac's can't even run notepad.exe!" would be fair using Apple's approach to these kind of claims (i.e. choosing to run software with requirements that you know they cannot meet)

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Post by pleb_nz »

optymizer wrote: post #153
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

And why can't my mac remember what screen applications were on when I unlock the screen. Everytime, unlock, drag them back to right screens, resize them. If someone has a fuc for this I'm an ears, but seems to me it should work out if the box.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by achairapart »

wpm wrote: post #465
masklinn wrote: post #200

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Ultra since pro is the baseline adjective. Not that I find the naming any good but Max v Ultra would have been more of a head scratcher.

Apple Marketing under Joz has been in love with this Pro-Max-Ultra tiering, and it's mind boggling. Very very confusing to have Max(imum) be the middle tier. If Ultra was Ultimate, maybe it'd make more sense, but Pro-Ultra-Max just makes more sense. But even Max kinda stinks because it's basically the same word as "Macs". Max Macs, Macs Max. Ugh

Also: Pro is messing up with the well-known and familiar "Pro" as in Macbook Pro and Mac Pro. I.e.: "Hey, look at my new Macbook Pro M2 Pro!"

Then, this is also used - completely unrelated to the CPU in there - in the iPhone line-up, in a whole new mixed-up level ("look at my new iPhone Pro Max Ultra!"), as well as randomly for other hardware (AirPod Max?).

What a mess. Actually, this is worse then 90s Apple.

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Post by kitsunesoba »

FearlessNebula wrote: post #404
mathverse wrote: post #335

The biggest issue I have with macbooks is that they are ridiculously expensive. They are intended to be portable devices but bringing them anywhere outside my apartment or office is just a huge risk.

They’re not much more expensive than a Windows laptop of similar specs and quality . AppleCare is fairly cheap if you’re concerned about damage.

Yeah, they’re just not Barry’s Bargain Basement laptops. Comparable models from Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc cost just as much.

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Post by touisteur »

amatecha wrote: post #466
trynewideas wrote: post #460

> With up to 96GB of unified memory in the M2 Max model, creators can work on scenes so large that PC laptops can’t even run them.4 ... > 4. Testing was conducted by Apple in November and December 2022 using preproduction 16-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M2 Max, 12-core CPU, 38-core GPU, 96GB of RAM, and 8TB SSD, as well as a production Intel Core i9-based PC system with NVIDIA Quadro RTX 6000 graphics with 24G…

Well, to be fair, if you go to NVIDIA's site for "professional desktop workstations", the Quadro RTX 6000 is precisely what they show first: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/design-visualization/desktop-gr...

Yes still waiting for OEMs and integrators to get inventory on lovelace or rtx 40...

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by bee_rider »

wiremine wrote: post #385
optymizer wrote: post #153

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

> The software experience is getting worse imo EVERY OS release will have some issues, and the people who are most impacted are the ones who chime in. If it "just works" for someone, they aren't going to chime in. This is true of Mac, Windows, Linux, etc. I'd be curious to see a quantitative pre-release breakdown by OS and version. That might be more useful than individual anecdotes, as interesting as those are.

Rolling release distros avoid this by not having these giant catastrophic upgrades.

It seems weird that these companies which presumably employ some programmers have this convention of bundling up all the bugs together for some nice combinatorial confusion. Everybody knows you keep your code in a working state from commit to commit, so you only have to handle one bug at a time, right?

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by dmix »

rkangel wrote: post #281
throwaway2037 wrote: post #229

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I know this isn't an Asahi Linux thread, but I cannot help to ask about it. Plus I am big fan of Alyssa Rosenzweig's work (and Justine Tunney), so I pay close attention to Asahi Linux (and LibCosmo/politan) progress. First, it's great to hear from Real World people like you about their Asahi Linux experience. It sounds like the baseline is done and now they will pick away at the remaining pieces. Real question: What…

Because your choice of hardware should be independent of the choice of software that you run on it. This has been the world we've had since the concept of "IBM compatible" existed. Some people prefer Windows (because of available software, or ease of use) and some people prefer Linux (e.g. for efficiency, customisability or desire to run open source software). Why should that choice be tied to whether you've bought,…

You still 100% should choose your hardware for Linux even on 'Windows' laptops.

Ideally it should run everywhere but in my experience you'll never get a positive Linux Desktop experience unless you tailor your hardware purchases to the Linux world - this usually means choosing a laptop that tons of other linux users are using, so the bugs are getting found and fixed, and documentation exists.

The key here is that it should at least run on the most popular laptop brands. It should run on Macbook Pro because it's incredibly popular hardware choice for software/technical people.

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