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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by agloeregrets » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:32 PM UTC

comboy wrote: post #367

judge2020 wrote: post #137

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The lack of dedicated DisplayPort ports is fairly disappointing to me since their implementation is just "native DisplayPort output over USB‑C" and it doesn't support MST, so you can only do one displayport signal per port, even with a thunderbolt 4 hub with some bidirectional USB-C Displayport cables.

Check out DisplayLink. I'm using multiple monitors with M1 macbook air which officially only supports single external display. Works great so far. I agree with your point though.

I used an M1 Air docked with displaylink for about 8 months. 1. The Displaylink software heats the machine lightly in the background, and it just gets worse with resolution. 2. The Adaptor is unreliable and can do some really wonky stuff around dock and undock due to Apple's locked USB policies. 3. The old series of Adaptors do not support 4K60, so if you plan on using it with a 4K display, you need to pony up on costs.

Assuming we see more ~$1600 sales on the M1 Pro 14 inch, that is easily $300 more computer than a $1299 M2 macbook pro.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by rtp4me » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:33 PM UTC

dblooman wrote: post #117

For those on the M2 Pro mac mini path, the Mac Studio looks a look more appealing. 32GB RAM, Max CPU and more ports for the same money. Will have to wait for benchmarks, but seems like more computer for the money if you upgrade the mini

Thanks for this. Yesterday I picked up a new Mac Studio M1 Max with 32G RAM and 1TB NVMe, and today I see the new Mac Mini M2 Pro with 12 CPUs, 32G RAM, and 1TB NVMe for about the same price.

Any idea the performance delta between the M1 Max and M2 Pro? Wondering if I should trade my new system in for the new Mac Mini Pro...

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by staindk » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:33 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #524

In the feature list, the most underwhelming item to me is the '1080p FaceTime HD camera'. Aren't pretty much all cameras at least 1080p by now? I'd expect a top of the line laptop to have a multi-megapixel camera able to push 240fps for slowmo and windowing abilities to allow software zoom while still outputting a high enough resolution feed that someone viewing on another macbook pro can't see the pixels (ie. more t…

I think any effort being put into laptop cameras these days (and for the last 5+ years) is to make them smaller in all dimensions.

I'm guessing companies have found that it's always a trade-off between camera quality and bezel size, and a thinner bezel impresses people more than a better camera.

I find Apple webcams perform better in video calls than most/all others, so they don't really have much to worry about. If you do want some insanely high quality "webcam", you could buy that magsafe gimmick they showed off last year that allows you to use your iPhone's back cameras as the webcam for your MacBook.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by sneak » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:34 PM UTC

No increase in max configurable storage (8TB). 96GB ram is cool but these are targeting A/V production among other things and 8TB is not huge in that regard (unlike 12 cpu cores, 96GB ram, etc).

A 12 or 16TB configurable SSD would be nice.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by agloeregrets » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:34 PM UTC

yewenjie wrote: post #491

I'm waiting for HN to reach a consensus so that I can decide whether to buy this one or the M1 MBP.

It's a spec bump, possibly meaningfully so but if you are on an Intel machine or want two monitors and can find a M1 14inch for ~$1500-$1700 that's a killer upgrade no matter what.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by doerig » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:34 PM UTC

henry_viii wrote: post #506

Do the new models come with the touch bar? There is no mention of the keyboard (text or photos).

No, Apple got rid of the touchbar on all models starting with the 2021 MBPs.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by ehzy » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:34 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #524

In the feature list, the most underwhelming item to me is the '1080p FaceTime HD camera'. Aren't pretty much all cameras at least 1080p by now? I'd expect a top of the line laptop to have a multi-megapixel camera able to push 240fps for slowmo and windowing abilities to allow software zoom while still outputting a high enough resolution feed that someone viewing on another macbook pro can't see the pixels (ie. more t…

My understanding is that it's actually quite difficult to fit a high quality camera into a laptop lid. If you look at how thin the lid is you'll notice it's at least twice as thin as a cell phone.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by unholiness » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:34 PM UTC

shishy wrote: post #59

wrldos wrote: post #2

Pricing has gone crazy here in the UK. Paid £1899 for my M1 Pro. Same spec M2 Pro is £2199. Edit: at this rate when my previous gen one expires I'm going to think seriously about shifting back to ThinkPads...

I do get sticker shock at the prices, but I have to say I still use my 2015 MBP for dev work and it's been serving me well. That's quite the longevity... I'd hope if I got an M2 (thinking about upgrading in a year or two), that it lasts a similar duration. ~8 years, I wouldn't mind shelling out that price, especially since it pays me back so quickly (some consulting work). Have to check to see how reliable those thin…

I used a 2013 MBP for work, and when work upgraded me to a 2019 MBP I kept the 2013 for myself.

Since then, the 2019 macbook has been having tons of problems, crashing, thermal issues, software issues, keyboard issues. But the 2013 has been working like a dream. My coworkers have many similar experiences.

Mid-2010s was definitely a peak for macbooks. Hopefully M1s/M2s will be another peak.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by lostlogin » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:35 PM UTC

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #527

optymizer wrote: post #153

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

macOS is almost getting worse than Windows, which is absolutely amazing. Every day i have to fight my macbook to get it to work properly. It’s slow to start up and external display is a daily struggle. And this is a 2019 i9, not some old slow machine

Give Windows 10 or 11 a try. It cured me of this feeling.

The adverts in particular.