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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by wrldos »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #47
wrldos wrote: post #2

Pricing has gone crazy here in the UK. Paid £1899 for my M1 Pro. Same spec M2 Pro is £2199. Edit: at this rate when my previous gen one expires I'm going to think seriously about shifting back to ThinkPads...

Do yourself a favor and find a way to test that Intel laptop before you switch. I have to use one for work and the performance penalty is massive. Fans blasting, laggy, hot, three hour battery life. Its a substantial step backwards

Yeah I have a rather large and horrible stacked Dell 7670 here. I mostly use my MBP as a desktop machine though.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by ribit »

jchw wrote: post #34

It's worrying that they are shying away from specifying generational improvements or at least comparing to it's competitors. The "fastest Intel MacBook" is not really the competitor for an M2 MacBook Pro, it's a predecessor. But I'd rather hear about generational improvements from M1, especially because both Intel and AMD seem to be making great strides in the low power space lately.

They did say 20% faster CPU and 30% faster GPU than M1 series in the same thermal envelope.

Intel doesn’t really seem to make any strides in low-power designs, they just throw more mid-power cores at the problem to achieve better multi core efficiency as well as manipulate power brackets. Shirt-time (benchmark-relevant) consumption of Intel chips is insane and their published TDP figures are utterly meaningless. AMD has very scalable cores and Zen4 performs admirably at low power, but AMD too falls victim to power inflation to keep pace with Intel.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by temptemptemp111 »

csdvrx wrote: post #56

That's when I realize how much my weird hardware preferences set me apart: I mostly care about an OLED screen and ECC ram. Then, a touchscreen supporting pen entry, and a good keyboard (with the edit keys like home/insert/pageup/pagedown directly accessible, bonus is there's also printscreen) especially if it's not a foldable or a tablet. Apple's got good CPU and battery life, but unless the core features are present…

No, not weird, it is called having good taste. For OLED that means DC dimming not PWM dimming - big difference. And with all of the Ryzen Thinkpads there is no excuse for not having ECC when all of the Ryzen mobile CPUs they're using already support it. I don't get the touchscreen thing, but you can always use one of those artist pads via USB and not affect your screen and be decoupled from the rest of your system (USB peripheral).

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by Oddskar »

bayindirh wrote: post #19
Mikeb85 wrote: post #10

Strange that Apple still isn't offering OLED screens when most other laptop makers are this year...

They tend to not sacrifice longevity over flashy technologies. They migrated to OLED very late in iPhone when compared to other manufacturers, too. The last thing I want is a burn mark on my laptop screen because of static parts of my IDEs and such.

> They tend to not sacrifice longevity over flashy technologies.

Hah! That gave me a good chuckle.

There's nothing that screams "longevity" as going out of your way to make all devices utterly irreparable.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by eropple »

John23832 wrote: post #105
TacticalCoder wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. For people who don't mind an ultra-brittle screen or who don't mind paying an extra 20% Apple tax to get their screen replaced when it breaks. Had a M1 Mac. Screen broke overnight. Meanwhile my LG Gram feels way more sturdy and hasn't let me down in years. M1 Mac lasted about 13 months. Not happy at all with Apple asking 680 EUR to r…

More anectdata. 16" M1 MBP user here (first batch). No problems with the screen. Travels with me literally everywhere I can take my backpack. No case. Are you using your laptop as a frisbee? As far as Apple tax, you pay for quality tools. In life you get what you pay for.

They're not even that expensive as tools go, either.

My Festool Domino was $1200. It makes one particular hole in a piece of wood. It's very, very good at it--but it doesn't replace my tablesaw ($600) or my bandsaw ($700) or my tracksaw ($400) or my drill/driver ($300) or my jointer ($600) or my planer ($900) or my drill press ($500) or or or--and I did not buy particular spendy variants of any of those, except the Domino. (I could've easily spent $2000 on a tablesaw alone.)

Contrast this to a $2500 Macbook Pro, which is a future computer from beyond the moon that can do a ton of revenue-relative work without even kicking on its fans, and can watch Netflix besides. It is also small; it provides all those benefits in a thing that can fit on your coffee table, without the ongoing costs of storing actually expensive tools (edit: as mentioned downthread, for me that's about $550 a month based on my mortgage's square footage calculation).

Computer people complaining about computer costs when they're paid six figures for what they do with them is...it really needs to stop. It's silly.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by judge2020 »

mittermayr wrote: post #38

There's also a new Mac Mini, which I found A LOT MORE interesting, given that its keyboard or batteries won't break: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/01/apple-introduces-new-...

The lack of dedicated DisplayPort ports is fairly disappointing to me since their implementation is just "native DisplayPort output over USB‑C" and it doesn't support MST, so you can only do one displayport signal per port, even with a thunderbolt 4 hub with some bidirectional USB-C Displayport cables.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by lotsofpulp »

smoldesu wrote: post #122
ianai wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From TA: “With M2 Pro on MacBook Pro: Rendering titles and animations in Motion is up to 80 percent faster1 than the fastest Intel-based MacBook Pro and up to 20 percent faster5 than the previous generation. Compiling in Xcode is up to 2.5x faster1 than the fastest Intel-based MacBook Pro and nearly 25 percent faster5 than the previous generation. Image processing in Adobe Photoshop is up to 80 percent faster1 than t…

In other words, they're absolutely using the Intel machine to bury the lede. Apple is now facing the same struggle as AMD and Intel. They have a generational processor product that relies on new silicon to get faster, and they can't get new silicon fast enough. The M2 was basically just a wattage-bump of the M1, and looking at the performance increase/processor count, I'm inclined to call the Pro/Max the same thing.…

> It's what someone in marketing does.

The linked website for this discussion is marketing.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by cassianoleal »

zimpenfish wrote: post #104
TacticalCoder wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. For people who don't mind an ultra-brittle screen or who don't mind paying an extra 20% Apple tax to get their screen replaced when it breaks. Had a M1 Mac. Screen broke overnight. Meanwhile my LG Gram feels way more sturdy and hasn't let me down in years. M1 Mac lasted about 13 months. Not happy at all with Apple asking 680 EUR to r…

> For people who don't mind an ultra-brittle screen Have had an M1 Macbook Pro for 2 years now. Dropped it several times from various heights up to 4ft. Dropped books on it a couple of times. Screen still intact. "ultra-brittle" is nonsense. (And in the 10 years I've owned Macbooks, never have I broken a screen despite dropping, etc.)

The M1 Air I'm typing on has been shot down from desk to floor due to a golden retriever tripping on the charging cable running after a ball. It flew about 2m horizontally, and the height of the desk vertically. It has a very noticeable bump on the corner of the case. The screen though, is good as new.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by StreamBright »

gnufied wrote: post #46
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

I have both a latest generation Thinkpad P1 Gen5 and Macbook Pro 16 inch M1 pro and while it is true that Macbook comes pretty close to being a perfect laptop, I still miss the productivity of a Linux laptop (for backend dev work). From what hardware POV you are correct, I wish though Apple would adopt Carbon Magnesium chasis that thinkpad uses. For same 16inch size, Thinkpad is noticeably lighter. I can happy lug my…

As a heavy Linux user for two decades I disagree. You can't even talk about Linux vs MacOS because the actual distribution you use matters a lot more than the kernel when you talk about productivity.

Using Mint, Elementary or whichever GUI distribution you would like to use with the Linux kernel has completely different tradeoffs in terms of GUI, which implies different productivity levels.

There is more. Even with the best case scenario you need to customise the GUI much more than you need to customise MacOS, for example energy management is a bit a of problem for most Linux based distros.

This simply happens because Apple owns the whole vertical from HW to GUI and they focus on the user. They have done this for decades. There is no such entity in the non-Apple world and this means there is more work for the user when trying to create a working environment.

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