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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by CharlesW »

lwhi wrote: post #480
TheKnack wrote: post #286

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For both iOS and Macos (and Windows for that matter) it's a good idea to backup everything and reinstall the OS from scratch for each major version. Yes it's a headache but it will prevent 10x more headaches that result from upgrading from a previous major version. Many of the problems people have with Apple OS upgrades are issues that happen during the process of converting configurations from one version to the nex…

This used to be the standard advice for MS Windows. Funny to think that it's now Apple who have this problem.

This is still worth doing occasionally on Windows, but iOS users have never had to do this, and there's been no reason for Mac users to do this since the System 7 (pre-Mac OS X) days. Some habits die hard, though.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by 988747 »

japhyr wrote: post #370
mpeg wrote: post #60

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Yeah, I understand from a product perspective, but the studio feels like a bit of a weird product to me, I'd much rather either buy a mini form factor for the size, or just get a proper desktop machine (since the Mac Pro has been outdated for a while)

I just got a Studio (still in the box waiting to be set up), and I'm really curious to see how it does. I love the idea of it; it's specced more than I could get in a laptop, which is exactly what I want for my desktop work. I never really got the appeal of the Mini, because it wasn't specced much better than a MacBook. The Studio seems to be a nice middle ground between a MacBook and a mac Pro, which I know I'll nev…

> I never really got the appeal of the Mini, because it wasn't specced much better than a MacBook.

The appeal is in the form factor: you buy Mini, so you can hang it behind your TV using VESA mount, and you use it to watch Netflix on 65" OLED screen. Or you put it in the corner of the room and use it as a home server. You do not use Mini as laptop replacement :) Although I have to say this: Intel NUCs a quarter of the size of Mini, so much better for both the purposes above.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by trynewideas »

michpoch wrote: post #508
amatecha wrote: post #466

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Well, to be fair, if you go to NVIDIA's site for "professional desktop workstations", the Quadro RTX 6000 is precisely what they show first: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/design-visualization/desktop-gr...

These are desktop cards. Apple is comparing laptops to laptops.

TIL there was a real-world laptop that actually shipped in 2020 with the Quadro RTX 6000, "the workstation equivalent of a GeForce RTX 2080 Super", with a 9th-gen i9 (and was $10,000?) https://www.cnet.com/reviews/asus-proart-studiobook-one-revi...

So I still don't know why their benchmark is a 2.5-year-old laptop.

I'm also noticing that Apple didn't list the generation of i9 in that marketing disclaimer, so this makes me think they're also possibly comparing against 2- to 3-year-old CPUs.

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Post by londons_explore »

In the feature list, the most underwhelming item to me is the '1080p FaceTime HD camera'.

Aren't pretty much all cameras at least 1080p by now? I'd expect a top of the line laptop to have a multi-megapixel camera able to push 240fps for slowmo and windowing abilities to allow software zoom while still outputting a high enough resolution feed that someone viewing on another macbook pro can't see the pixels (ie. more than 1080p please!).

Heck, on a top of the line macbook, you could even have cameras on each corner so that clever processing could be done to get multiple angles and automatically pretend to have a 2nd cameraman for closeups from another angle.

Can anyone provide insight why Apple didn't put more effort into cameras?

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Post by meltyness »

mcv wrote: post #496
jd3 wrote: post #482

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Maybe it's my nostalgia/rose tinted glasses talking, but I recently used one of the old white plastic macbooks running Snow Leopard 10.6.8 and was shocked at how instantaneous the user interface felt in comparison with Ventura on a modern machine. Even small details, such as opening/closing windows and typing text into TextEdit feels like it has lower delay/input lag on the old hardware/software. Had a similar feelin…

That's the thing. Hardware keeps getting more and more powerful, but somehow the computers its in don't seem to be getting any faster. UI responses should be instantaneous by now. They used to be. Why aren't they? How many cores do these things have? Why is one of them not dedicated to catering to my impatience? Sorry, that was getting a bit ranty.

It's the event-driven event-driven event-driven programming programming programming.

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Post by johncalvinyoung »

988747 wrote: post #511
TingPing wrote: post #431

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To state the obvious, Turbo Taxes website works on any device. No idea what an app would be needed for.

It's crazy that you basically cannot do your taxes in the US without purchasing commercial app...

Oh you can. It's just a lot more work. You can do it with paper forms, a calculator, checks, and stamps, pretty much.

You just are unlikely to know/find the rules for optimal results, and the process will take a lot longer.

Not a fan of turbotax, but it's not _necessary_.

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Post by tobyhinloopen »

optymizer wrote: post #153
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

macOS is almost getting worse than Windows, which is absolutely amazing.

Every day i have to fight my macbook to get it to work properly. It’s slow to start up and external display is a daily struggle.

And this is a 2019 i9, not some old slow machine

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Post by bastardoperator »

dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #444
itslennysfault wrote: post #332

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I feel like people have ALWAYS had problems when upgrading MacOS (or OSX). However, those problems aren't with the OS itself usually, but 3rd party software that lags. For that reason I always intentionally lag 1 major version behind. I'll upgrade to Ventura whenever the next version is released. Been doing this forever and can't recommend it highly enough.

I've never had a problem upgrading macOS... I've never had a noteworthy problem with Macs in general.

Same. It's easy to say I don't like the software when that's the ecosystem you're living in. Go do windows for a month, hell, even my ubuntu certified laptop has issues with Ubuntu. There is no perfect experience but I would argue the alternatives are vastly worse.

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Post by atoav »

dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

My 2 year old tuxedo notebook costed less than half of what the M1 MBP costs and renders any given blender scene 3 to 4 times faster.

I consider getting a MBP, but quite frankly I wonder if I could really let it crunch "pro" workloads over night, because either they have infinitly silent active cooling (doubtful) or they throttle the thing (bad). If I pay for top notch hardware I want to have it crunch at full blast for as long as I desire, if I need it.

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