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Post by rkangel »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #229
jackosdev wrote: post #88

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I have Asahi Linux installed on mine, it works great including the GPU, I’m mainly developing for ARM64 AWS Lambdas now as well so it’s nice having the same arch. Some things are still missing like webcam, microphone and speakers, but the headphone Jack works and Bluetooth is OK just a bit choppy, incredible project.

I know this isn't an Asahi Linux thread, but I cannot help to ask about it. Plus I am big fan of Alyssa Rosenzweig's work (and Justine Tunney), so I pay close attention to Asahi Linux (and LibCosmo/politan) progress. First, it's great to hear from Real World people like you about their Asahi Linux experience. It sounds like the baseline is done and now they will pick away at the remaining pieces. Real question: What…

Because your choice of hardware should be independent of the choice of software that you run on it.

This has been the world we've had since the concept of "IBM compatible" existed. Some people prefer Windows (because of available software, or ease of use) and some people prefer Linux (e.g. for efficiency, customisability or desire to run open source software). Why should that choice be tied to whether you've bought, HP, Lenovo or another manufacturer?

Apple has made some amazing laptop hardware, but Mac OS doesn't suit everyone. So well done to the Asahi Linux team for trying to take us back to that world of choice.

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Post by singhrac »

superkuh wrote: post #231
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

Things may be great on the high end of Apple's M1/M2 laptops given they actually have enough ram for simple tasks. But those are also insanely expensive. At the low end Apple is actively ripping off users providing computers which can't even edit photos. My father, a long time apple user, decided to get an Apple M1 to replace his old Apple macbook. He bought the M1 8GB model (without consulting me). Turns out that th…

This is kind of a crazy story to me, and likely pointing to other issues. The "4GB just to run the OS" is probably just macOS preemptively caching... and all Macs use swap extensively so using e.g. 10GB of memory actively is totally fine. I've run out of memory before, but only with serious usage (100s of tabs, VSCode, a 100 MB+ pdf open, etc), and even then there was no actual crashes, I was told that I was using too much memory and suggested some programs to close. What was the "darkroom-alike" program?

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Post by null_object »

superkuh wrote: post #231
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

Things may be great on the high end of Apple's M1/M2 laptops given they actually have enough ram for simple tasks. But those are also insanely expensive. At the low end Apple is actively ripping off users providing computers which can't even edit photos. My father, a long time apple user, decided to get an Apple M1 to replace his old Apple macbook. He bought the M1 8GB model (without consulting me). Turns out that th…

> At the low end Apple is actively ripping off users providing computers which can't even edit photos.

> open a 20MB photo suddenly you're out of RAM and the software starts crashing

Have an M1 laptop with Photoshop and Lightroom and need to edit 16-bit film-scans from a 6x12 that are more than a GIGABYTE each and have had zero issues.

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Post by grozzle »

lynndotpy wrote: post #181
sem000 wrote: post #62

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What is your Linux laptop giving you that your MBP doesn’t? And how does it hurt your productivity? Genuinely curious as I don’t see how it can be any different.

For my experience, as a longtime Linux user who got a MBP: I really miss the desktop environments available on Linux. KDE is great, and even Gnome beats MacOS. You can't even move windows between desktops with a keyboard shortcut on MacOS. The desktop experience on MacOS is a "death by a thousand cuts" situation. E.g. Popup dialogues will rearrange your windows (e.g. if the popup is wider than your window, to remain…

ah, focus stealing. and the lack of focus stealing prevention. Yes. This is why I could never settle down and marry MacOS. KDE amd tiling WMs do this right, everyone else is just rude.

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Post by s3p »

kmeisthax wrote: post #171

If Hector Martin doesn't say that they fixed the memory-mapping bug in their PCIe controller[0] I think it's safe to say that we're not getting a new Mac Pro this year. And to be honest, the whole concept of a Mac Pro goes against the design philosophy of Apple Silicon. The whole point of those chips is to maximize efficiency by having everything on-die or very close to the chip. For example, the M2 Max has like eigh…

Thank you for the citations with definitions :)

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Post by TheKnack »

optymizer wrote: post #153
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

For both iOS and Macos (and Windows for that matter) it's a good idea to backup everything and reinstall the OS from scratch for each major version. Yes it's a headache but it will prevent 10x more headaches that result from upgrading from a previous major version. Many of the problems people have with Apple OS upgrades are issues that happen during the process of converting configurations from one version to the next. This is especially true if you've done multiple major version upgrades without starting from scratch at some point.

If you upgrade from Catalina -> Big Sur -> Monterey -> Ventura, for example, it becomes like a game of telephone. Small issues that happen with converting configurations accumulate. This makes me wonder if Apple tests new versions installed from scratch rather than upgraded over multiple generations like what happens in the real world.

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Post by ericpauley »

arepublicadoceu wrote: post #267

So the battery life is alluring me to splurge the money for this. But I’m a bit worried because my wife laptop, bought in 2018, already have a 5% health life on its nvme. I don’t worry as I can simply replace it but those macbooks have it soldered. So I guess my question is, what’s the expected lifespan of their SSDs? My current laptop will turn 11 this year, and after battery and ssd replacement it still works great…

Are you saying it's used 5% of its total life? That seems pretty good over 3+ years, for an estimated overall lifespan of 60 years. No doubt the machine will be replaced for some other reason by then.

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Post by bfgoodrich »

[deleted] wrote: post #89
goosedragons wrote: post #75

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They aren't though. The fact that they are ridiculously comparing performance to the 3 year old at this point final Intel MacBook (which was a dog turd) in their press release with some very cherry picked benchmarks suggests things aren't quite as good as they could be. Why are they talking about 3+ old parts and not the current competition?

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Eh, this is [literally any company on the planet]. Marketing is to sell a product, not to provide a comprehensive case for competitors.

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Post by rkangel »

sem000 wrote: post #62
gnufied wrote: post #46

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I have both a latest generation Thinkpad P1 Gen5 and Macbook Pro 16 inch M1 pro and while it is true that Macbook comes pretty close to being a perfect laptop, I still miss the productivity of a Linux laptop (for backend dev work). From what hardware POV you are correct, I wish though Apple would adopt Carbon Magnesium chasis that thinkpad uses. For same 16inch size, Thinkpad is noticeably lighter. I can happy lug my…

What is your Linux laptop giving you that your MBP doesn’t? And how does it hurt your productivity? Genuinely curious as I don’t see how it can be any different.

There are some really weird things. The only sustained usage of Macs I've had is a Mac Mini (x86) that I had for app development. Even just plugging in a plain old UK layout USB keyboard (not an Apple one) and having it behave itself and give me the right characters was surprisingly difficult.

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Post by mynameisvlad »

jslql wrote: post #180
Invictus0 wrote: post #169

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Really? There's 4 processors and 2 generations, it's not that hard. Compare to intel: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/details/pro...

With Intel higher = better. What’s better, ultra or pro?

> With Intel higher = better.

So which is better, the 13500HX, or the 1365UE? What about the 13620H?

What about the 13900/13900F/13900E/13900H/13900HK/13900T/13900TE/13900HX/13900K/13900KF/13900KS? Which is better? And the 13905H is clearly better than all of them because higher = better right?

Intel has an absolute shit naming scheme.

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