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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Is this thing actually faster than a cheap Ryzen build for browsing? Like a 5600g that are super cheap now

Apples M chips are stupid fast at browsing the web because they have some native CPU instructions for JavaScript that x86_64 chips don’t.

They’re fast but that’s not usually why. ARM added some functions which could help with math-limited code:

https://community.arm.com/arm-community-blogs/b/architecture...

Most JavaScript isn’t dependent on that specific a feature for performance, however. In most cases what matters more is that they have great memory performance and handle branch-heavy code well.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

For both iOS and Macos (and Windows for that matter) it's a good idea to backup everything and reinstall the OS from scratch for each major version. Yes it's a headache but it will prevent 10x more headaches that result from upgrading from a previous major version. Many of the problems people have with Apple OS upgrades are issues that happen during the process of converting configurations from one version to the nex…

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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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I have both a latest generation Thinkpad P1 Gen5 and Macbook Pro 16 inch M1 pro and while it is true that Macbook comes pretty close to being a perfect laptop, I still miss the productivity of a Linux laptop (for backend dev work). From what hardware POV you are correct, I wish though Apple would adopt Carbon Magnesium chasis that thinkpad uses. For same 16inch size, Thinkpad is noticeably lighter. I can happy lug my…

As a heavy Linux user for two decades I disagree. You can't even talk about Linux vs MacOS because the actual distribution you use matters a lot more than the kernel when you talk about productivity. Using Mint, Elementary or whichever GUI distribution you would like to use with the Linux kernel has completely different tradeoffs in terms of GUI, which implies different productivity levels. There is more. Even with t…

And Linux keeps failing because of companies like System76 which cannot seem to build, or partner with a company, to be this competition.

Lenovo would crush Apple if it partnered with the Linux Community and made a cheap (in price!) everyday laptop for the consumer and focused on privacy and no lock in.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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How would this compare with the best current intel based laptop (running linux). Primarily cost-wise and computational performance wise. The comparisons offered are with previous macbook models and that is not particularly interesting or illuminating if you are not an existing user.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

I feel like people have ALWAYS had problems when upgrading MacOS (or OSX). However, those problems aren't with the OS itself usually, but 3rd party software that lags. For that reason I always intentionally lag 1 major version behind. I'll upgrade to Ventura whenever the next version is released. Been doing this forever and can't recommend it highly enough.

The last version that was 100% forward progress for me was Snow Leopard, which was essentially the performance/bug fix revision of Leopard. The Windows 7 from Vista equivalent.

Every update since then has felt slow, or introduced bugs. Perhaps it was because Snow Leopard came on a physical disk, so they couldn't "just ship it".

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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There's also a new Mac Mini, which I found A LOT MORE interesting, given that its keyboard or batteries won't break: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/01/apple-introduces-new-...

The lack of dedicated DisplayPort ports is fairly disappointing to me since their implementation is just "native DisplayPort output over USB‑C" and it doesn't support MST, so you can only do one displayport signal per port, even with a thunderbolt 4 hub with some bidirectional USB-C Displayport cables.

Check out DisplayLink. I'm using multiple monitors with M1 macbook air which officially only supports single external display. Works great so far.

I agree with your point though.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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I bought a MBP 14 (max 32, 32GB, 2TB) Dec 2021 and I mostly don't regret it (probably should've only gotten 24 GPU cores and gone silver). Here are some pros and cons I don't think get enough play:

- Turning on "Low Power Mode" when on Battery gives me roughly 10h of battery life. Functionally this is more than good enough for me.

- Backlight leakage around the keys feels janky

- It's pretty hard to pick it up unless you get it by the back vent, also yeah, it's heavy

- The resolution is pretty weird. I wish it were really 4k, then bumping it down to FHD with an integer scale would make sense. As it is, the integer scale is 1512x982, which many websites think (including some you might build!) is a tablet.

- Viewing angles on the screen are not at IPS levels. At regular usage distances you can definitely see a difference around the outer 1/3 of the screen.

- Dark text on a light background is different than light text on a dark background. When I do `set bg=light` in Vim I usually need to use a thicker font or turn on antialiasing.

I think most people should get the M2 Air (or the M1 even). I have a couple of reasons that going 14 max makes sense for me: I moved abroad and my brother and I keep in touch via gaming (a lot of Steam games, etc. work pretty well on it), and I'm planning on getting back into music. Otherwise, I would argue that:

- the IPS screen on the Air is better for text

- the Air's battery life is another class

- the Air is much lighter

- the Air's resolution is more mainstream and usable

Some Air things are dealbreakers. M1 tops out at 16GB, M2 at 24, and they only do 1 external monitor. But w/e.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

I feel like people have ALWAYS had problems when upgrading MacOS (or OSX). However, those problems aren't with the OS itself usually, but 3rd party software that lags. For that reason I always intentionally lag 1 major version behind. I'll upgrade to Ventura whenever the next version is released. Been doing this forever and can't recommend it highly enough.

An update (Xcode tools) broke git in September. It's not just 3rd party software.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Presumably they are trying to make a clear distinction between the mini and studio.

Yeah, I understand from a product perspective, but the studio feels like a bit of a weird product to me, I'd much rather either buy a mini form factor for the size, or just get a proper desktop machine (since the Mac Pro has been outdated for a while)

I just got a Studio (still in the box waiting to be set up), and I'm really curious to see how it does. I love the idea of it; it's specced more than I could get in a laptop, which is exactly what I want for my desktop work.

I never really got the appeal of the Mini, because it wasn't specced much better than a MacBook. The Studio seems to be a nice middle ground between a MacBook and a mac Pro, which I know I'll never need.

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