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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by 988747 »

TingPing wrote: post #431
gwbas1c wrote: post #227

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I didn't buy an M1 because I didn't want the "first" Apple processor. Maybe it's just my bias from seeing lots of Intel competitors come-and-go? I don't really care about specific improvements, I just want all the minor things that the engineers didn't get to finish the first time around. In my case, living in the US, we all do our taxes in the first three-ish months of the year. Last year Turbo Tax told me they woul…

To state the obvious, Turbo Taxes website works on any device. No idea what an app would be needed for.

It's crazy that you basically cannot do your taxes in the US without purchasing commercial app...

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by onebot »

trynewideas wrote: post #460

> With up to 96GB of unified memory in the M2 Max model, creators can work on scenes so large that PC laptops can’t even run them.4 ... > 4. Testing was conducted by Apple in November and December 2022 using preproduction 16-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M2 Max, 12-core CPU, 38-core GPU, 96GB of RAM, and 8TB SSD, as well as a production Intel Core i9-based PC system with NVIDIA Quadro RTX 6000 graphics with 24G…

I wonder what the breakdown of software used for VFX is in this report? There are tools like Adobe After Effects that doesn't run in Linux. I know about Fusion and Nuke, but wish the report recorded what software was being run on each OS.

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Post by mpweiher »

automatic6131 wrote: post #96
a_humean wrote: post #45

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I'm afriad you are going to need to get used to it. The £ is depreciating against the dollar, and wages in the UK have been stagant for 10+ years and are set to remain stagant for another 10 based upon current forecasting. Based upon current trends countries like Poland and Slovakia are going to overtake the UK on many economic metrics within a generation, which is both a credit to the growth of those countries and t…

>Based upon current trends countries like Poland and Slovakia are going to overtake the UK on many economic metrics I'll believe that when I see it >the enmourous decline of the UK relative to places like Germany, France The UK, Germany and France are declining in lockstep, actually. In different ways but all declining >the US Yes this is the killer.

> I'll believe that when I see it

You're seeing it right now, if you actually look.

"UK economy could be comparable to “Slovakia” in 10 years - says economist Duncan Weldon"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5g_S9BBtqw

> The UK, Germany and France are declining in lockstep,

Nope.

https://youtu.be/R5g_S9BBtqw?t=155

"Britain is unique among the G7 countries in that GDP per head is still below that when the pandemic hit."

Notice the "unique" bit.

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Post by bayindirh »

taylodl wrote: post #245
Oddskar wrote: post #135

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> They tend to not sacrifice longevity over flashy technologies. Hah! That gave me a good chuckle. There's nothing that screams "longevity" as going out of your way to make all devices utterly irreparable.

My daily driver is the "irreparable" 2012 MBP Retina. You may remember this machine as the one everybody bitched about because the RAM and SSD were soldered into the mainboard and weren't upgradeable or replaceable? Let's see, it's 2023, hmmmm, seems the machine is coming up on 11 years. IDK about you but I think 11 years is incredible longevity for a laptop. You know, it just might be that making the machine "irrepa…

I’m still using my 2008 MacBook Pro‘s MagSafe adapter via MagSafe 2 converter and never unpacked my newer (personal) MacBook Pro’s one.

It’s dirty, but not frayed and working as well as the first day.

Edit: Do you need photos? :)

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by Joeri »

matwood wrote: post #407
optymizer wrote: post #153

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

As someone else mentioned, people have always had issues when upgrading. So much so that for a long time people recommended wiping and re-installing instead of upgrading. Some of the early macOS versions were also really rough comparatively. I've been using macs for a long time and have never had any issues though. I also tend to run the betas very early on. I don't doubt that you have issues though, I just think the…

A certain percentage of ram and storage goes bad in ways that cause this kind of instability, and an upgrade will have a tendency to bring this out. I’ve had my own share of stability issues fixed by ram and storage swaps. Too bad new macs no longer allow this kind of repair.

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Post by rcarr »

Start at £2149 in the UK. I bought an equivalent M1 last year for £1729. Price increase of £420. About a 25% increase. Wonder if that’s closer to the true inflation figure rather than the official 11% narrative. Regardless, they look like good machines, surprised they went this low key with the announcement.

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Post by trynewideas »

amatecha wrote: post #466
trynewideas wrote: post #460

> With up to 96GB of unified memory in the M2 Max model, creators can work on scenes so large that PC laptops can’t even run them.4 ... > 4. Testing was conducted by Apple in November and December 2022 using preproduction 16-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M2 Max, 12-core CPU, 38-core GPU, 96GB of RAM, and 8TB SSD, as well as a production Intel Core i9-based PC system with NVIDIA Quadro RTX 6000 graphics with 24G…

Well, to be fair, if you go to NVIDIA's site for "professional desktop workstations", the Quadro RTX 6000 is precisely what they show first: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/design-visualization/desktop-gr...

It's not? Are you getting A/B tested or something?

I see the RTX 6000 Ada and A6000 in both the hero image and the first products listed. The Quadro 6000's a 24GB 4,608 CUDA-core PCIe 3x16 card[1] and the A6000 is a 10,752 CUDA-core 48GB PCIe 4x16 card.[2]

I know NVIDIA's branding and product line naming sucks, but those clearly aren't the same cards, or even same generation of card.

1: https://www.nvidia.com/content/dam/en-zz/Solutions/design-vi...

2: https://www.nvidia.com/content/dam/en-zz/Solutions/design-vi...

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Post by acdha »

yurishimo wrote: post #408
kube-system wrote: post #230

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Apples M chips are stupid fast at browsing the web because they have some native CPU instructions for JavaScript that x86_64 chips don’t.

Assuming you use Safari. For older relatives, probably not a bad assumption, but an important distinction to make nonetheless.

Mozilla also implemented it. I believe Chrome/v8 have as well, but I know there was some work there to avoid accidentally enabling it on older ARM chips which don't have support for it.

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Post by agloeregrets »

kmeisthax wrote: post #171

If Hector Martin doesn't say that they fixed the memory-mapping bug in their PCIe controller[0] I think it's safe to say that we're not getting a new Mac Pro this year. And to be honest, the whole concept of a Mac Pro goes against the design philosophy of Apple Silicon. The whole point of those chips is to maximize efficiency by having everything on-die or very close to the chip. For example, the M2 Max has like eigh…

One of the thoughts on how a mac pro would work was to make the SOC/Memory combo an Add-in card and then use an Infinity Fabric-like interconnect on the motherboard with some nutty controller to allow clean intercommunication to split off instructions.

By doing this, massively multithreaded workloads would not see any real impact...as long as you don't need to send anything card-to-card. Finally, (assuming the M2 Ultra maxes out at 192Gb ram ) this enables adding in 1 to maybe 6 M2 Ultras, topping out just over 1TB ram. This almost starts to work but will fail if your tasks can't be cleanly cut up into 192GB chunks, maybe that's the magic of that controller.

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Post by johncalvinyoung »

sod wrote: post #225
nicoburns wrote: post #100

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It's no secret that Apple's M2 series processors are a pretty minor improvement over the M1 series. Expect much bigger improvements in the M3 series which will likely be using TSMC's 3nm process (and then probably only minor improvements again for the M4 series). It seems that Apple's ridiculously impressive consistent year-on-year gains up the M1 were in large part possible because they were behind the state of the…

Yes, the year over year improvements were 90% just the tsmc node changes. But the ridiculous (and IMO amazing) performance per watt is a mix of iOS/macOS and their chip design. Those efficiency cores are unmatched, paired with the right scheduling from the OS. The M2 is underwhelming as its the same 5nm as the M1 was. But rumors say the M2 pro and max are on the 3nm node. And it took so long for the release, as 3nm w…

According to Apple's press release^1, at least the M2 Pro is fabbed on a 'second generation 5nm' process. Since the power/cores/performance claims seem to be sub-linear going to the M2 Max, I'd expect it continues to share the same node.

[1]: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/01/apple-unveils-m2-pro-...

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