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AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by eru »

seydor wrote: post #96
eru wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it need to be 'unbiased'? This would work as well: > Ai can be used to moderate discussions however , if it is trained to remove low effort [or otherwise undesirable content]?

OK, but i wouldn't participate in such discussion. i believe most people like to keep their minds open to ideas

Maybe. Though what's perceived as 'unbiased' differs from person to person.

See https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/sorry-i-still-think-i-... for more on this topic.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by Mappleton »

blueridge wrote: post #199
angarg12 wrote: post #25

Regarding the Third point, I can already see part of this movement. I've become disenchanted with the quality of the discourse. Specifically as I've entered a more senior stage of my career, I'm looking to mingle with like-minded folks in similar situations. Thing is, these folks don't usually lurk online, and even if they do, their voices get overwhelmed by the flood of (mostly low quality) content. I'd be happy to…

I ran a private online bookclub a few years ago, really tried to filter and vet the people who wanted to join. Ended up with a decently sized group of wonderful people and lots of long form written discussion—we read good books and talked about good books, it was lovely. I approached the screening/vetting process as if I was hiring. I got some angry emails about the approach, made it seem "exclusive" and elitist, but…

Can you say more about how you organised and structured it? E.g. what practices, rules, and tools you used (And any chance you have a write-up online somewhere?) I've run a few groups like this and love learning how others approach it. Haven't found a great format for writing-based discussion that works as well as in-person / zoom calls.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by pmontra »

baxtr wrote: post #102
pmontra wrote: post #62

This is why I quit social media years ago. There is no difference between a stream of posts from strangers and a stream of posts from bots. What I care is interaction with friends and FB wouldn't give it to me or not as effectively as WhatsApp and Telegram. So I ended up with WhatsApp groups and Telegram channels where I know first hand most of the people or more rarely I'm at one hop from them. The only place where…

So does this mean you wouldn’t qualify HN as social media?

Not in the way Facebook or TikTok are social media. HN's dynamics make it closer to forums from last century or Usenet IMHO. Strictly speaking almost everything is a social media, even WhatsApp and Telegram which I use daily.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by spixy »

SergeAx wrote: post #260

There already is an OpenAI API to detect texts made by bots. I see a browser extension which tells if selected text is GPT bullshit and also marks the whole page as infested and shares that data across all userbase.

Do you have link to the API? I found only http://gltr.io

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by SergeAx »

spixy wrote: post #274
SergeAx wrote: post #260

There already is an OpenAI API to detect texts made by bots. I see a browser extension which tells if selected text is GPT bullshit and also marks the whole page as infested and shares that data across all userbase.

Do you have link to the API? I found only http://gltr.io

https://huggingface.co/openai-detector/ - look around here?

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by Ensorceled »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #257
Ensorceled wrote: post #140

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> Doominess and gloominess is the real disease of our times I see SIGNIFICANTLY more homeless people in the two cities I frequent than at any other time in my life, there is a snow covered tent city half a kilometer from the glass monstrosity Google has built here and mostly doesn't occupy. Facism is on the rise globally. A third world war is possibly percolating in Europe. Google is soaking up all the bulk of revenu…

Things are undeniably better than they ever were before, especially for those outside the US and Western Europe. We need to work to continue to improve them, but we are in no way going the wrong direction outside of a few small areas such as housing access as you point out.

I’m outside the US.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by moffkalast »

burnished wrote: post #232
moffkalast wrote: post #122

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> I'd be happy to pay a fee to become a member of a community with vetted participants You better start believing in vetted online communities Miss Turner, you're in one! It may not be vetting by moderators, but HN's dated frontend definitely acts as a forcefield against many kinds of people.

Genuinely, what do you see as dated? My only other point of comparison is Reddit so I suspect I’m behind the times.

Mainly the interaction (though the graphical design itself definitely isn't what you'd call modern). No notifications or gui animations, no thumbnails or header images, being as hard to navigate as possible, scroll position gets reset all the time, can't even reply to a comment while looking at the rest of the thread because everything is its own separate page, nothing has outlines so text has no clear separation, etc. In a nutshell it feels like a site made in the 90s entirely with HTML forms without a line of javascript.

I mean I do absolutely hate the new reddit redesign and almost exclusively use old.reddit, but the functionality there is still on another level when compared to HN.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by fennecfoxy »

What's funny is that people use these platforms to create their own bubbles; I'm sure there are quite a few people out there that would pick AI content over human content that doesn't align with their own interests & views.

I don't think there's a 100% perfect solution to prove you're speaking to a human other than having the conversation offline. Even then nothing stops someone from wearing a smart earpiece and replying to you with whatever an AI is whispering into their ear.

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Post by fennecfoxy »

Renaud wrote: post #113
wyldfire wrote: post #2

> Second, I think people will start to put a premium on accounts being "verified" as genuinely human. IMO this is long overdue. And I think people should/will eventually even pay for this feature. > Powerful nation states will be more than eager to assist them in this regard. I agree - world governments could consider even subsidizing this in some way in order to foster fewer anonymous botnets sowing discord. The web…

>loss of anonymity comes with significant drawbacks: criticizing government and powerful people becomes more difficult. How don't see how making our lives more dystopian can be a net benefit. How many of us expose different aspects of ourselves through different identities? Maybe most people are happy to show everyone all aspects of their lives, but I'm not, in part because who I am could get me or the people I meet…

Only if the general population _allows_ making criticising government/powerful people possible, which it currently does.

Society makes things like blackmailing, etc possible too. In a truly free society we wouldn't judge each other for all the stupid stuff we do now; the majority of people are still extremely prude/immature sexually & will judge others for anything outside the norm in a heartbeat - hell even mentioning inside the norm sex stuff is still somewhat taboo.

As a gay dude involved in a few fun subcultures both in & out of bed it's so refreshing to be able to be so open about sex, if only everyone else was the same, about all topics. Y'all are missing out.

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Post by altairprime »

burnished wrote: post #249
altairprime wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you use old or new interface?

Old, I think? I saw a friends and his was this stream of pictures and gifs, whereas mine is entirely titles with the occasional thumb nail.

That would be the “dated” interface, then. I prefer it too.
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