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AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by antupis »

glass3 wrote: post #12
RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #6

Search engines are faltering because many intersecting trends are destroying the availability of a vibrant, indexed, text-based internet: emphasis on video content, siloed content behind logins and paywalls, pulling traffic out into "apps" that are no longer part of the web, etc. GPT-style language models are also driving massive creation of spam that further dilutes and poisons the text sources that their own traini…

New search engines will falter. Whoever has a collection of current pages has the data set to be a gateway to authentic information.

Problem is that it will not help when you try to search what is best new phone 2028.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by antupis »

rapind wrote: post #18
krainboltgreene wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but Web 2.0 will go the way of the dodo What does Web 2.0 have to do with any of this?

It’s a reference to user generated content (web 2.0) and saying it will become AI generated content. I think we’ve already been seeing it, just done badly. Most content marketing is somewhat automated. The tools (ChatGPT) have made a leap and the internet will be riddled with it and it’s brethren. What’s interesting though is that future AIs will train on AI generated content which trained on AI generated… etc. Possi…

many ways it is already happening with those content farms and sock puppets but also with Tiktok style feeds where you don't follow users but mindlessly watch what algorithm will provide for you.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by seydor »

The internet is not limited to Social networks. The "Market for lemons" has existed for decade, google is a market for lemons where people buy from SEO spam, Google assistant , Siri , amazon are also.

The logging off is a pipe dream for some people, even though they know that humans are informational creatures and that the "offline world" has never lived up to the desirable one since the time books were invented.

Doominess and gloominess is the real disease of our times

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by seydor »

woeirua wrote: post #9

This article gets it. ChatGPT heralds the end of free user comments, forums and social media. Because when everything and everyone online is fake, why even log on to Insta or FB or Twitter? The internet will still be useful, but Web 2.0 will go the way of the dodo unless it adapts and the easiest way to cut down on spam is to charge users money for access. Spam campaigns are a lot less lucrative when it costs money t…

There is as much spam as there is email. Did people quit email?

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by angarg12 »

Regarding the Third point, I can already see part of this movement.

I've become disenchanted with the quality of the discourse. Specifically as I've entered a more senior stage of my career, I'm looking to mingle with like-minded folks in similar situations.

Thing is, these folks don't usually lurk online, and even if they do, their voices get overwhelmed by the flood of (mostly low quality) content. I'd be happy to pay a fee to become a member of a community with vetted participants.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by blackbear_ »

seydor wrote: post #24
woeirua wrote: post #9

This article gets it. ChatGPT heralds the end of free user comments, forums and social media. Because when everything and everyone online is fake, why even log on to Insta or FB or Twitter? The internet will still be useful, but Web 2.0 will go the way of the dodo unless it adapts and the easiest way to cut down on spam is to charge users money for access. Spam campaigns are a lot less lucrative when it costs money t…

There is as much spam as there is email. Did people quit email?

No, because spam filters are pretty good. But that may change, too.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by [deleted] »

angarg12 wrote: post #25

Regarding the Third point, I can already see part of this movement. I've become disenchanted with the quality of the discourse. Specifically as I've entered a more senior stage of my career, I'm looking to mingle with like-minded folks in similar situations. Thing is, these folks don't usually lurk online, and even if they do, their voices get overwhelmed by the flood of (mostly low quality) content. I'd be happy to…

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Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by ShredKazoo »

Consider this classic XKCD: https://xkcd.com/810/

There are 2 possibilities: The AI can comment as well as a human, or it can't.

If it can comment as well as a human, our experience of using social networks will not be degraded. We still get the same experience as before.

If it can't, then its contributions won't get as many likes/upvotes, and they won't be particularly prominent. Most content users see will be human-created.

So I think the key question is whether AI will be able to manipulate the liking and voting systems. But there are methods for preventing this: ignore votes from accounts created after ChatGPT's release, or for a site like Twitter with paid accounts, ignore votes from unpaid accounts. It's not even clear what ChatGPT adds beyond a human voting ring, and social networks presumably have lots of experience dealing with voting rings already.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by ericmcer »

college_physics wrote: post #11

In real life people developed (over millenia) a wide range of mechanisms to support stable social interactions. Concepts like ownership, privacy, authority etc. are not laws of nature but deeply rooted behavioral patterns that proved to be useful in some global sense. What happens currently with the explosion of "digital society" is that, largely due to greed, certain first mover groups are dismantling all that - bas…

There is a pretty huge difference between having an email address and credit card vs actively engaging with twitter/instagram/facebook/tiktok/etc. You can still participate and benefit from online govt services and banking while avoiding social media.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by OgAstorga »

seydor wrote: post #24
woeirua wrote: post #9

This article gets it. ChatGPT heralds the end of free user comments, forums and social media. Because when everything and everyone online is fake, why even log on to Insta or FB or Twitter? The internet will still be useful, but Web 2.0 will go the way of the dodo unless it adapts and the easiest way to cut down on spam is to charge users money for access. Spam campaigns are a lot less lucrative when it costs money t…

There is as much spam as there is email. Did people quit email?

There is more than twice spam as there is legitimate email (source: ran a corporate email server). However, so far most spam is automatically detected.

In the near future, It's likely that this is no longer going to be the case and in the moment that most of your email is spam you are going to stop trusting everything you receive.

Even right now inside corps people already (should?) distrust and double checks everything that comes from another domain.

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