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AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by college_physics »

In real life people developed (over millenia) a wide range of mechanisms to support stable social interactions.

Concepts like ownership, privacy, authority etc. are not laws of nature but deeply rooted behavioral patterns that proved to be useful in some global sense.

What happens currently with the explosion of "digital society" is that, largely due to greed, certain first mover groups are dismantling all that - basically because they can given the widespread digital illiteracy and the lack of any regulatory mechanisms.

The response will be indeed people trying to log off. But if you consider the callous insistence with which ruling elites impose e.g., cash-less, fully digital transactions, its arguable that the escape hatches have been locked already.

Unless some new benevolent dynamic shows up that can harness the digital domain more congruently with welfare prepare for a period of great social unrest and the destruction of major social contracts.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by glass3 »

RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #6

Search engines are faltering because many intersecting trends are destroying the availability of a vibrant, indexed, text-based internet: emphasis on video content, siloed content behind logins and paywalls, pulling traffic out into "apps" that are no longer part of the web, etc. GPT-style language models are also driving massive creation of spam that further dilutes and poisons the text sources that their own traini…

New search engines will falter.

Whoever has a collection of current pages has the data set to be a gateway to authentic information.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by krainboltgreene »

woeirua wrote: post #9

This article gets it. ChatGPT heralds the end of free user comments, forums and social media. Because when everything and everyone online is fake, why even log on to Insta or FB or Twitter? The internet will still be useful, but Web 2.0 will go the way of the dodo unless it adapts and the easiest way to cut down on spam is to charge users money for access. Spam campaigns are a lot less lucrative when it costs money t…

> but Web 2.0 will go the way of the dodo

What does Web 2.0 have to do with any of this?

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by babyoil »

ls15 wrote: post #8
wyldfire wrote: post #2

> Second, I think people will start to put a premium on accounts being "verified" as genuinely human. IMO this is long overdue. And I think people should/will eventually even pay for this feature. > Powerful nation states will be more than eager to assist them in this regard. I agree - world governments could consider even subsidizing this in some way in order to foster fewer anonymous botnets sowing discord. The web…

> But then again it's a bit dystopian I am having a hard time to imagine a scenario that is more dystopian

The Black Mirror episode handling this is one of the most dystopian and scary ones for me.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by glass3 »

emporas wrote: post #4

Spam will flood a lot of places for sure. But there is a solution! We were just talking about it in a lively and informative thread on lichess. [1] A social graph, in which people are confirmed as humans from the outside world as well as from the virtual world, connecting hierarchies of pseudonymous accounts together. The social graph of reputation systems, has a necessary constraint, it has to be retained in the blo…

>As soon as a node can be planted by a malicious actor

It's a directed graph that indicate who trusts whom. If you identify a malicious actor, you only have to re-validate the nodes that receive their trust from that actor.

You can also use weights, e.g. to reduce the influence of new nodes.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by ElevenLathe »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #13
woeirua wrote: post #9

This article gets it. ChatGPT heralds the end of free user comments, forums and social media. Because when everything and everyone online is fake, why even log on to Insta or FB or Twitter? The internet will still be useful, but Web 2.0 will go the way of the dodo unless it adapts and the easiest way to cut down on spam is to charge users money for access. Spam campaigns are a lot less lucrative when it costs money t…

> but Web 2.0 will go the way of the dodo What does Web 2.0 have to do with any of this?

Web 2.0 often refers to the "second wave" of consumer-facing internet sites that allowed users to leave comments and interact with each other, as opposed to the Web 1.0 of static HTML sites.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by rapind »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #13
woeirua wrote: post #9

This article gets it. ChatGPT heralds the end of free user comments, forums and social media. Because when everything and everyone online is fake, why even log on to Insta or FB or Twitter? The internet will still be useful, but Web 2.0 will go the way of the dodo unless it adapts and the easiest way to cut down on spam is to charge users money for access. Spam campaigns are a lot less lucrative when it costs money t…

> but Web 2.0 will go the way of the dodo What does Web 2.0 have to do with any of this?

It’s a reference to user generated content (web 2.0) and saying it will become AI generated content.

I think we’ve already been seeing it, just done badly. Most content marketing is somewhat automated. The tools (ChatGPT) have made a leap and the internet will be riddled with it and it’s brethren.

What’s interesting though is that future AIs will train on AI generated content which trained on AI generated… etc. Possibly missing legitimate feedback?

AI is inevitably unleashed on AI in a game of cat and mouse driven by that unholy god “marketing“ thus eventually rendering the internet useless in a race to the bottom of legitimate human interaction.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by forgotusername6 »

college_physics wrote: post #11

In real life people developed (over millenia) a wide range of mechanisms to support stable social interactions. Concepts like ownership, privacy, authority etc. are not laws of nature but deeply rooted behavioral patterns that proved to be useful in some global sense. What happens currently with the explosion of "digital society" is that, largely due to greed, certain first mover groups are dismantling all that - bas…

I would argue that calling businesses that offer cashless services "ruling elites" is not particularly helpful. There are legitimate reasons why they no longer offer cash services e.g. fraud prevention, speed of transaction, health concerns. In addition a fast food truck offering only cashless can hardly be considered an elite.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Post by hansmeierbaum »

The idea raised in this article is interesting. However, if the technology on the side of the spam producers improves, platforms will follow and improve their technology for recognizing spam.

So, yes, there might be some temporary lemons failures on some platforms, but I would not expect a big logging off to happen on the long-run. After all I think this is a cat-and-mouse game of superior technology in producing / identifying spam.

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