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AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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> Second, I think people will start to put a premium on accounts being "verified" as genuinely human.

IMO this is long overdue. And I think people should/will eventually even pay for this feature.

> Powerful nation states will be more than eager to assist them in this regard.

I agree - world governments could consider even subsidizing this in some way in order to foster fewer anonymous botnets sowing discord. The web of trust could be useful to help bolster this - if only in providing the process by which new social networks could eliminate anonymity.

I hear a lot about SSI [1] from a family member who works on this stuff. I'll be honest - I don't know whether it's promising or dystopian. Maybe a little bit of each. But I optimistically think it could be a way to help mitigate some of the problems created by anonymity.

The loss of anonymity won't be a panacea -- for example: people with legitimate accounts bound to their identity today accept bribes to create positive reviews of goods. And the loss of anonymity comes with significant drawbacks: criticizing government and powerful people becomes more difficult.

Having a digital reputation that you can taint could put people on their best behavior. But then again it's a bit dystopian [2, 3].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-sovereign_identity

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive_(Black_Mirror)

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Spam will flood a lot of places for sure. But there is a solution! We were just talking about it in a lively and informative thread on lichess. [1] A social graph, in which people are confirmed as humans from the outside world as well as from the virtual world, connecting hierarchies of pseudonymous accounts together.

The social graph of reputation systems, has a necessary constraint, it has to be retained in the blockchain so as to be incorruptible by every human power. As soon as a node can be planted by a malicious actor, as part of the social graph, the whole of it becomes invalidated.

Mr Craig Wright calls this "The Metanet", George Gilder calls this "The cryptocosm", other people call it "Web3", Balaji Srinivasan calls it "The network State". I call it, "The internet of one million governments".

[1] https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/long-playing-play...

Edit: added Balaji Srinivasan

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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Search engines are faltering because many intersecting trends are destroying the availability of a vibrant, indexed, text-based internet: emphasis on video content, siloed content behind logins and paywalls, pulling traffic out into "apps" that are no longer part of the web, etc. GPT-style language models are also driving massive creation of spam that further dilutes and poisons the text sources that their own training models are derived from.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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I think the author is really gunning for his particular vision to happen. If you were a tech leader would you just let "The Great Logging Off" happen?

If this becomes a huge issue you'd better bet that big tech is going to invest a lot of resources to solve it. The simplest solution would be to get better at verifying real human users, for example with better adversarial AI systems to detect non-humans or more document-based authentication tying your real identity to your user account (and thus any bans for misuse going to your real identity).

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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post #2

> Second, I think people will start to put a premium on accounts being "verified" as genuinely human. IMO this is long overdue. And I think people should/will eventually even pay for this feature. > Powerful nation states will be more than eager to assist them in this regard. I agree - world governments could consider even subsidizing this in some way in order to foster fewer anonymous botnets sowing discord. The web…

> But then again it's a bit dystopian

I am having a hard time to imagine a scenario that is more dystopian

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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This article gets it. ChatGPT heralds the end of free user comments, forums and social media. Because when everything and everyone online is fake, why even log on to Insta or FB or Twitter? The internet will still be useful, but Web 2.0 will go the way of the dodo unless it adapts and the easiest way to cut down on spam is to charge users money for access. Spam campaigns are a lot less lucrative when it costs money to participate. Hell, charge $0.05 per email. The amount of spam would decrease significantly.

Side note, I’ve long thought that identity verification is the _one_ area that a public blockchain could actually add legitimate value to. But I’ve seen no efforts in that direction to date.

Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off

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I think the author is really gunning for his particular vision to happen. If you were a tech leader would you just let "The Great Logging Off" happen? If this becomes a huge issue you'd better bet that big tech is going to invest a lot of resources to solve it. The simplest solution would be to get better at verifying real human users, for example with better adversarial AI systems to detect non-humans or more docume…

What authority does a tech leader have to stop humans engaging free agency?
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