> A Market for Lemons > In which the internet gets clogged with piles of semi-intelligent spam, breaking the default assumption that the "person" you're talking to is human. Neal Stephenson's novel Anathem briefly mentions something like this as part of the novel's worldbuilding.
AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off
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#192Authors making this argument (which we see often now) really need to sketch out why cryptographic solutions will fail. The entire thesis rests on this erroneous sentence in the second point: “This can be done in two ways – just move to invite-only silos where you already know everybody, or big platforms where the owners do the vetting for you.” There are more options. We employ them when we are forced to; when it bec…
One of the biggest problems in actually using cryptography in the real world is matching keys to identities. Using cryptography to solve the fake persona problem only works if the key-identity matching problem is solved. It would be great if the fake persona problem was the impetus that managed a solution to the key-identity matching problem. But I have my doubts. Notably the key-identity matching problem isn't techn…
I also really like the idea of using the keys to hold some amount of value, such that if the keys ever get leaked, there is basically a built in bug bounty to alert the key holder (since the key thief has the option to take all the money). This also gives users the incentive to manage their keys in a sane way.
Social key management schemes are also super interesting, and will likely be a part of future key management schemes. That is, basically, allowing some set of friends and family to re-roll or revoke identities that have been lost or stolen.
Slowly but surely, I think this future is coming. Lots of good people are coming at it from different angles, but basically all converging on the same general concepts.
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#193I don't necessarily think that's the case. Remember the old "nobody on the internet knows you're a dog" cartoon? Well, I think that for a lot of things, nobody cares if they're talking to a dog.
People only care about people on the internet being fake in certain contexts. They'll very much care if all of their dating app matches are robots, because the end goal of a dating app is actually meeting someone in the flesh.
But I don't think that people on Nextdoor and Facebook groups particularly care - or would even notice - if they're talking to robots. As far as I can tell from my limited exposure, most people like getting caremad in comments. Even in local groups, it doesn't feel like there's much connection being made between neighbors; an AI complaining about traffic or agreeing/disagreeing with someone's political opinion would scratch the same itch as someone two towns over doing it.
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#194> A Market for Lemons > In which the internet gets clogged with piles of semi-intelligent spam, breaking the default assumption that the "person" you're talking to is human. Neal Stephenson's novel Anathem briefly mentions something like this as part of the novel's worldbuilding.
Don't you mean Fall: Dodge in Hell?
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#195> A Market for Lemons > In which the internet gets clogged with piles of semi-intelligent spam, breaking the default assumption that the "person" you're talking to is human. Neal Stephenson's novel Anathem briefly mentions something like this as part of the novel's worldbuilding.
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#196> Second, I think people will start to put a premium on accounts being "verified" as genuinely human. IMO this is long overdue. And I think people should/will eventually even pay for this feature. > Powerful nation states will be more than eager to assist them in this regard. I agree - world governments could consider even subsidizing this in some way in order to foster fewer anonymous botnets sowing discord. The web…
I've seen some pretty reprehensible behavior from people who put their full name and a photo of their face on Facebook.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'd be happy to pay a fee to become a member of a community with vetted participants. FreeMasons and premium golf clubs!
Problem is, both can still be filled with less than bright people. If you have an interest in, say, the math behind various AI techniques. Or maybe an interest in digging into the differences between different, (but seemingly similar), cancer therapies. (Think TIL v CAR-T). You won't get that at the golf club. You will need some kind of vetted discussion group.
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#198Regarding the Third point, I can already see part of this movement. I've become disenchanted with the quality of the discourse. Specifically as I've entered a more senior stage of my career, I'm looking to mingle with like-minded folks in similar situations. Thing is, these folks don't usually lurk online, and even if they do, their voices get overwhelmed by the flood of (mostly low quality) content. I'd be happy to…
Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off
#199Regarding the Third point, I can already see part of this movement. I've become disenchanted with the quality of the discourse. Specifically as I've entered a more senior stage of my career, I'm looking to mingle with like-minded folks in similar situations. Thing is, these folks don't usually lurk online, and even if they do, their voices get overwhelmed by the flood of (mostly low quality) content. I'd be happy to…
I'll launch the next iteration after the first of the year, this time there might be a fee attached, at least a minimal amount to pay for the SaaS product we'll use to organize and collaborate.
Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off
#200Regarding the Third point, I can already see part of this movement. I've become disenchanted with the quality of the discourse. Specifically as I've entered a more senior stage of my career, I'm looking to mingle with like-minded folks in similar situations. Thing is, these folks don't usually lurk online, and even if they do, their voices get overwhelmed by the flood of (mostly low quality) content. I'd be happy to…
It isn't so much about vetting participants than about moderating the discourse , which is hard to do right, and usually relegated to the few people who are willing to do it for free , which is bad quality (like reddit) Ai can be used to moderate discussions however , if it is trained to remove low effort in an unbiased way