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US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by miguelazo »

_kbh_ wrote: post #414
miguelazo wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have no public evidence yet to know with absolute certainty who is responsible. But an honest assessment of the motives, benefits, costs, not to mention blatant declarations of Biden and State Department flunkies make it 99% clear who was responsible. Whether the British pulled the trigger or some other errand boy is of little consequence.

> We have no public evidence yet to know with absolute certainty who is responsible. correct. > But an honest assessment of the motives, benefits, costs, not to mention blatant declarations of Biden and State Department flunkies make it 99% clear who was responsible. They were clearly not talking about physical attacks when they talked about that, but I guess Russian propaganda is going to hook onto whatever it can.…

LOL, now that you bring up these absurd arguments (again), I remember you.

"they attempt to force Germany into certifying the new pipeline which would be a big win for Russia" So Russia blew up its own pipelines to force Germany into certifying those pipelines?

"they get out of any contractual clauses they had about non supply of gas" No one at the Kremlin cares about contracts that are easily invalidated by acts of war and illegal sanctions.

"they threaten a number of NATO countries energy infrastructure indirectly" -So Russia blew up its own energy infrastructure delivery to Europe (that it spent 10 billion to build and would have earned lots from) to threaten energy infrastructure indirectly?

What planet do you live on?

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

pessimizer wrote: post #96
InTheArena wrote: post #62

Reading through the slides, it appears that what has been discussed is sharing signature and fingerprints for travel into the USA. There is a lot of weasel words, but it's probably worth nothing that the USA currently collects this information for foreign nationals coming into the USA (as the EU does for Americans traveling into the EU). This is being done in the context of a DB query as part of the e VISA applicatio…

I'm not sure that hyperbole is possible when you're discussing the necessity of having worldwide biometric "terrorist" lists that countries like Saudi Arabia would participate in. ----- edit: How would you code "terrorism through public demonstrations of driving while female" or "terrorism through being Yemen?" "Terrorism though applying for a marriage license after being mildly critical in the WaPo."

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Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

petre wrote: post #265
bombolo wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean USA won't misuse this data?

What difference does it make? They already lost it and it fell into the hands of not-so-nice people like the Taliban.

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Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by sfusato »

epolanski wrote: post #420
sfusato wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhmm, you may want to update your knowledge on the history of the 1945-2022 period tldr: USA is the current world empire; EU are their vassals Homework: (1) find how many European military bases there are on US soil; (2) find how many US military bases there are on European soil;

We are nobody's vassals and the EU has no realistic military opponents on its borders. You're ridiculous and watch Fox news too much.

> We are nobody's vassals

History contradicts you. I'm an European myself if that wasn't clear enough, so this wasn't an American telling you, an European, you are our vassals.

> EU has no realistic military opponents on its borders

Fully agree on this.

> You're ridiculous and watch Fox news too much.

I might be ridiculous to your eyes, but I certainly don't watch FoxNews.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by _kbh_ »

miguelazo wrote: post #421
_kbh_ wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We have no public evidence yet to know with absolute certainty who is responsible. correct. > But an honest assessment of the motives, benefits, costs, not to mention blatant declarations of Biden and State Department flunkies make it 99% clear who was responsible. They were clearly not talking about physical attacks when they talked about that, but I guess Russian propaganda is going to hook onto whatever it can.…

LOL, now that you bring up these absurd arguments (again), I remember you. "they attempt to force Germany into certifying the new pipeline which would be a big win for Russia" So Russia blew up its own pipelines to force Germany into certifying those pipelines? "they get out of any contractual clauses they had about non supply of gas" No one at the Kremlin cares about contracts that are easily invalidated by acts of…

Where’s your proof for any of your points other than “trust me bro”.

Russian propaganda is getting really pathetic these days you realise you guys convince no one right?.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by miguelazo »

_kbh_ wrote: post #425
miguelazo wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LOL, now that you bring up these absurd arguments (again), I remember you. "they attempt to force Germany into certifying the new pipeline which would be a big win for Russia" So Russia blew up its own pipelines to force Germany into certifying those pipelines? "they get out of any contractual clauses they had about non supply of gas" No one at the Kremlin cares about contracts that are easily invalidated by acts of…

Where’s your proof for any of your points other than “trust me bro”. Russian propaganda is getting really pathetic these days you realise you guys convince no one right?.

There we go-- when presented with the illogical nature of your statements and inconvenient facts that are readily available with a Google search, you resort to the "Russian propaganda" trope. Even The Washington Post (PR firm for the US security state) is literally saying Russia didn't do it. Eventually, the "paper of record" will reveal which Western power did the deed in an "exclusive," when it's no longer relevant to decision-making, as they always do.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/12/21/...

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Post by nixgeek »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #418
landemva wrote: post #131

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> convenience trumps principle There it is. We make our choices and our children live with the consequences. I have always opted out of TSA body scans and have been a 100k flier. Frequent fliers know which cattle lanes to use for no scans. Arrive a few minutes early and they even wipe your hands with a cloth and let you know if your hands are dirty.

I always opt out ( with one time exception when my employer submitted stuff for me without even letting me know - HR.. ) and I tend to get a speech about how it is safe and I get more radiation getting on the plane ( which is technically true ), but I always truthfully respond that my family has some history for cancer ( and radiation is cumulative ) and I hope he considers this as he continues his employment. I am t…

Most of the newest scanners are Millimeter Wave and don’t have any radiation concerns.

https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/radiation/airport_scan.htm

I believe they have obsoleted all the backscatter scanners at this point.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by rvba »

guitarbill wrote: post #213
rvba wrote: post #103

Saddest is that in order to fight tax avoidance, when an European creates an account in an European bank you need to sign a separate statement that you are not an american citizen. I am not sure if they share data only of US citizens (or those with two citizenships), or all... but I also doubt that americans have to sign a document where they admit if they have a second citizenship in one of EU states. It feels very…

That's solely down to the US and things like the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA). Not sure what you're arguing for? To make EU or EU state tax law as insane as the US tax law? The US is effectively able to bully other nations because of the US dollar and access to the banking system...

I am arguing that this law should be apllied to both sides. Now it is one sided.

If every EU citizen (when opening a bank account) has to sign a document that they are or arent an US citizen...

then all americans should also sign a similar document where they confirm if they are or arent EU citizens.

Now USA has a tool to track avoidance but EU doesnt.

EU could just stop sharing this data with USA and demand reciprocation.

Also I dont claim that this helps much, but it feels like EU citizens are second grade citizens in EU.

I somehow doubt that americans have to sign a document that they arent an EU citizen when they open their bank account.

Also lets dont act like EU doesnt have own ammunition. For starters it can stop sharing this information with US. Both blocks are friends, but come on. EU as a block is second on third in the world per GDP (why wikipedia doesnt show EU as whole block btw).

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Post by jongjong »

moate wrote: post #352
jongjong wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so horrible. They probably think that they're helping atheists by sending them to the afterlife early. But what if the atheist is right and when you die, your last moment alive becomes frozen in your consciousness forever.

>> what if the atheist is right and when you die, your last moment alive becomes frozen in your consciousness forever. I’m sorry what? Is this the predominant/common belief among other atheists? Pretty much everyone I’ve spoken with is more likely to think you just turn off, everything goes black, back to the void of unlife.

It's horrible either way but I think void is much better in this case.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by _kbh_ »

miguelazo wrote: post #426
_kbh_ wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where’s your proof for any of your points other than “trust me bro”. Russian propaganda is getting really pathetic these days you realise you guys convince no one right?.

There we go-- when presented with the illogical nature of your statements and inconvenient facts that are readily available with a Google search, you resort to the "Russian propaganda" trope. Even The Washington Post (PR firm for the US security state) is literally saying Russia didn't do it. Eventually, the "paper of record" will reveal which Western power did the deed in an "exclusive," when it's no longer relevant…

> There we go-- when presented with the illogical nature of your statements and inconvenient facts that are readily available with a Google search, you resort to the "Russian propaganda" trope. Even The Washington Post (PR firm for the US security state) is literally saying Russia didn't do it. Eventually, the "paper of record" will reveal which Western power did the deed in an "exclusive," when it's no longer relevant to decision-making, as they always do.

It's Russian propaganda that America did it, something you are very insistent on with literally zero evidence.

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