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US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by moloch-hai »

choward wrote: post #336
InTheArena wrote: post #62

Reading through the slides, it appears that what has been discussed is sharing signature and fingerprints for travel into the USA. There is a lot of weasel words, but it's probably worth nothing that the USA currently collects this information for foreign nationals coming into the USA (as the EU does for Americans traveling into the EU). This is being done in the context of a DB query as part of the e VISA applicatio…

> It's worth noting that almost all of this is still the output of the 9/11, where US and Saudi systems did not communicate and resulted in known terrorists in Saudi Arabia being able to travel at will into the USA. The intelligence community missed a lot of clues right at their finger tips that could have prevented 9/11. Do you think biometric tracking would have prevented 9/11? Because it sure sounds like it.

You can miss anything you want to miss, when it suits you.

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Post by wheelerof4te »

hardlianotion wrote: post #85
wheelerof4te wrote: post #37

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I know those are all rethorical questions, but for any anglophiles here: The answer to all these questions would be hard "No.", possibly followed by sanctions for even daring to ask them.

Anglophiles?

North American and British boot lickers.

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Post by master_crab »

devoutsalsa wrote: post #373
omgomgomgomg wrote: post #184

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Finance background here. All these PEP, sanction lists, ofac monitoring, financial sanction lists already exist and every company with a worthwile monetary turnover ever facing an audit runs these background checks. The laws are there, they are called the aml directives, the lists are there. And most of the entries there are provided by eitjer uk or us entities, youll usually find foreign military personells data the…

On the related topic of Arabic names, I currently visiting Tunisia. The other day I asked one of my friends how to spell her name using Latin letters, and she said “you can use one C, two Cs, one K, it doesn’t matter.” Now I’m wondering how many people have problems because their names have been casually spelled a few different ways and linked to someone else’s name in accident.

This is a problem with all transliterated languages.

It’s worse for Arabs because until modern times they didn’t have “conventional” surnames. Their name was a composition of a given name plus that of their forefathers’, often appended with “Abu” (meaning father in Arabic), and sometimes the addition of a clan name. In my ancestral home of Egypt, the government often standardized everyone about 100-150 years ago with whatever names they were carrying at the time.

So you could be completely unrelated to someone and have a partially matching last name.

Combine that with America’s gleefully racist views of Arabs - particularly after 9/11 - and you have a recipe for disaster with no-fly lists.

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Post by _kbh_ »

miguelazo wrote: post #364
_kbh_ wrote: post #354

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I think the US operating in friendly waters is capable of destroying 4 pipelines close together. But if you want to believe what you want to believe that is fine. But you should know that Russia is capable of sending autonomous robots down the pipelines. Sounds like a good way to blow a hole in them. The truth is that we have no evidence one way or the other but you are absolutely certain in your conviction.

We have no public evidence yet to know with absolute certainty who is responsible. But an honest assessment of the motives, benefits, costs, not to mention blatant declarations of Biden and State Department flunkies make it 99% clear who was responsible. Whether the British pulled the trigger or some other errand boy is of little consequence.

> We have no public evidence yet to know with absolute certainty who is responsible.

correct.

> But an honest assessment of the motives, benefits, costs, not to mention blatant declarations of Biden and State Department flunkies make it 99% clear who was responsible.

They were clearly not talking about physical attacks when they talked about that, but I guess Russian propaganda is going to hook onto whatever it can.

> Whether the British pulled the trigger or some other errand boy is of little consequence.

But it could easy be the Russians who pulled the trigger, they easily had the most to gain and the easiest way to pull it off too. Russia gains a lot by destroying the pipelines.

- they threaten a number of NATO countries energy infrastructure indirectly

- they attempt to force Germany into certifying the new pipeline which would be a big win for Russia

- they get out of any contractual clauses they had about non supply of gas.

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Post by dzikimarian »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #240
dzikimarian wrote: post #206

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I'm inside and I'm pretty happy comparing to alternatives.

Happy to hear that. I am inside the US and have been inside and lived in many countries. As an immigrant from Asia, I am happy most in the US and so are millions of permanent immigrants including tens of thousands from Europe every year :)

Great it works for you. :-)

I spent some time traveling in various parts of the world and EU works best for me.

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Post by IncRnd »

EGreg wrote: post #363
IncRnd wrote: post #148

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I know that wasn't a serious comment, saying that federal government agencies follow their mandates and never break the law. PS I see that you have edited your comment to add a link, https://www.aclu.org/other/nsa-spying-americans-illegal . That link shows that the government illegally spys on citizens, which is the opposite of what you meant to show.

You’re right! I meant to say they can’t legally do it but Five Eyes helps them do it legally: In other words, the NSA can only spy where it is explicitly granted permission to do so by statute. Citizens concerned about surveillance do not have to answer the question, "what law restricts the NSA's spying?" Rather, the government is required to supply an answer to the question "what law permits the NSA to spy?"

Thanks so much for the clarification!

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Post by [deleted] »

keewee7 wrote: post #359
hammock wrote: post #309

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Considering that 9/11 was in part a Saudi kingdom operation, I’m not convinced having more US-Saudi cooperation would have helped Edit: what’s with the downvotes?

>Edit: what’s with the downvotes? You're pushing a baseless conspiracy theory. There is no evidence that Saudi authorities were involved in 9/11.

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

landemva wrote: post #131
nixgeek wrote: post #45

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Global Entry and TSA Pre probably saved me >100 hours of queuing in the last 3-5 years, and I imagine I’d also have missed a handful of flights had I needed to endure the regular checkpoint queues in order to make a tight connection. It’s definitely a concern for me too, but like you, convenience trumps principle sometimes and travel is already unpleasant enough that “taking a stand” and making travel more unpleasant…

> convenience trumps principle There it is. We make our choices and our children live with the consequences. I have always opted out of TSA body scans and have been a 100k flier. Frequent fliers know which cattle lanes to use for no scans. Arrive a few minutes early and they even wipe your hands with a cloth and let you know if your hands are dirty.

I always opt out ( with one time exception when my employer submitted stuff for me without even letting me know - HR.. ) and I tend to get a speech about how it is safe and I get more radiation getting on the plane ( which is technically true ), but I always truthfully respond that my family has some history for cancer ( and radiation is cumulative ) and I hope he considers this as he continues his employment.

I am thankful that I do not have a job that requires me to travel much and I can allow myself to do a roadtrip ( and it helps that I actually enjoy stopping by biggest corn castle ).

I absolutely understand the parent. It is not impossible that I would react similarly if I had to fly more often.

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Post by epolanski »

Aeolun wrote: post #322
kmeisthax wrote: post #186

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Because sovereignty ends at borders. Europeans want to vacation in the US. The US demands biometric authentication upon crossing the border. So you either give them that data or the US stops letting Europeans in. And I doubt Europe is going to be any better at not demanding biometric data than the US is, because Europe has the same underlying incentives to do so (i.e. a restrictive immigration system, a large portion…

I don’t think the EU minds the US having access to EU biometric data as long as citizens choose to give it to the US directly. To have them lift it out of our databases without any manual actions seems ridiculous.

Bingo. That's the point.

If people want to share with a third party, it's their business.

But for US to just access some database and lift them is ridiculous

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Post by epolanski »

sfusato wrote: post #167
epolanski wrote: post #120

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Why would we have to give two damns about American demands, I don't see that having any chance.

Uhmm, you may want to update your knowledge on the history of the 1945-2022 period tldr: USA is the current world empire; EU are their vassals Homework: (1) find how many European military bases there are on US soil; (2) find how many US military bases there are on European soil;

We are nobody's vassals and the EU has no realistic military opponents on its borders.

You're ridiculous and watch Fox news too much.

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