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US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by Muromec »

krisoft wrote: post #251

So what is the concern here? The USA wants to check those who turn up at their border is who they say they are, and they also want to know if they are a good egg as far as the authorities know where they are from. Both of these sound iminently reasonable.

But that's what passports are for. They even have fingerprints nowdays, so you can always check that passport issued in a given name actually matches a person who presented it. Once you are confident in a name, you can run all kinds of checks on the person. And no, it doesn't work for reverse search that good -- you store fingerprints, you scan fingerprints and you match fingerprints stored in a passport to ones scanned by the device.

What they probably want is getting fingerprints for a specific person in automated way. Getting fingerprints per police request is kinda reasonable, but as far as I remember, European law on this stuff limits gathering biometrics for a specific reason -- document issuance. I doubt even police of the same European country would have automated unrestricted access to this database for investigation purposes.

For identification purposes and when permitted by a judge -- maybe.

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Post by void-star »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #217
LarryMullins wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say hypothetically, Facebook buys Signal. They get all the code and signing keys, then use those to push a new update to the Signal app. This update decrypts your messages using the key on your device, then sends those decrypted messages to Facebook. What are you going to do about it? Call your senators, who are now in love with Facebook for giving the federal government access to these previously private commu…

Fork signal, put together a non-profit to run the nodes, start paying $1/mo or somesuch, and stop using the facebookified version.

What’s wrong with the existing signal? This is not a sarcastic question. I’m actually curious what the privacy concern over signal is and what is meant by “the facebookified version” and what the privacy concern therein is. The new “stories” functionality I’m guessing? I haven’t used it so I’m interested what observations there are there…

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by EGreg »

IncRnd wrote: post #148
EGreg wrote: post #136

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Their mandate doesnt allow it https://www.aclu.org/other/nsa-spying-americans-illegal

I know that wasn't a serious comment, saying that federal government agencies follow their mandates and never break the law. PS I see that you have edited your comment to add a link, https://www.aclu.org/other/nsa-spying-americans-illegal . That link shows that the government illegally spys on citizens, which is the opposite of what you meant to show.

You’re right! I meant to say they can’t legally do it but Five Eyes helps them do it legally:

In other words, the NSA can only spy where it is explicitly granted permission to do so by statute. Citizens concerned about surveillance do not have to answer the question, "what law restricts the NSA's spying?" Rather, the government is required to supply an answer to the question "what law permits the NSA to spy?"

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Post by miguelazo »

_kbh_ wrote: post #354
miguelazo wrote: post #349

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Of course it doesn't say that explicitly-- are you unfamiliar with the purpose that the Washington Post serves? You think because one pipeline survived that it was intentional? After all of the US disasters in the Middle East you somehow still believe in its omnipotence? And one pipeline surviving means little when the new pipelines that were destroyed had much better economics for Russia (and Germany, for that matte…

I think the US operating in friendly waters is capable of destroying 4 pipelines close together. But if you want to believe what you want to believe that is fine. But you should know that Russia is capable of sending autonomous robots down the pipelines. Sounds like a good way to blow a hole in them. The truth is that we have no evidence one way or the other but you are absolutely certain in your conviction.

We have no public evidence yet to know with absolute certainty who is responsible. But an honest assessment of the motives, benefits, costs, not to mention blatant declarations of Biden and State Department flunkies make it 99% clear who was responsible. Whether the British pulled the trigger or some other errand boy is of little consequence.

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Post by dustyharddrive »

fsflover wrote: post #271
LarryMullins wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say hypothetically, Facebook buys Signal. They get all the code and signing keys, then use those to push a new update to the Signal app. This update decrypts your messages using the key on your device, then sends those decrypted messages to Facebook. What are you going to do about it? Call your senators, who are now in love with Facebook for giving the federal government access to these previously private commu…

This is why I do not recommend centralized walled garden called Signal. Try that with Matrix.

Matrix metadata is not private.

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Post by morpheuskafka »

pmontra wrote: post #141
hardlianotion wrote: post #23

One question that always seems to be unclear and insufficiently negotiated is reciprocity. What is the US going to offer in return. If they do offer to reciprocate, it actually needs to be delivered before the deal is live. That said, I think it is a shitty deal for these leaky, insecure, bad faith entities to be able to negotiate off to the side with our sensitive personal data like this.

The USA offers to continue the free visa agreement. If that ends, for reciprocity there won't be free visas for USA travelers to Europe too. It's lose lose but one of the two parties is always going to lose more than the other one. Which one? In the case of tourism probably Europe loses more from less USA tourists because of visa friction than the USA loses from European tourists staying at home. Business? It will ta…

In theory, the European governments could always waive reciprocity on their end and continue allowing travel from the US, if that's the biggest thing stopping them from refusing. On the other hand, that wouldn't leave the US with any "consequence" for not reaching a deal.

Note that it's not at all unprecedented for US/Europe/etc travelers to be offered visa-free access without reciprocity for exactly this reason. The whole concept of "passport power" implies there are a lot of countries that give US citizens access without a visa without the US and other countries giving them the same.

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Post by [deleted] »

keewee7 wrote: post #359
hammock wrote: post #309

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Considering that 9/11 was in part a Saudi kingdom operation, I’m not convinced having more US-Saudi cooperation would have helped Edit: what’s with the downvotes?

>Edit: what’s with the downvotes? You're pushing a baseless conspiracy theory. There is no evidence that Saudi authorities were involved in 9/11.

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Post by RagnarD »

keewee7 wrote: post #359
hammock wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering that 9/11 was in part a Saudi kingdom operation, I’m not convinced having more US-Saudi cooperation would have helped Edit: what’s with the downvotes?

>Edit: what’s with the downvotes? You're pushing a baseless conspiracy theory. There is no evidence that Saudi authorities were involved in 9/11.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/12/1036389448/biden-declassifies...

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Post by pohuing »

moate wrote: post #352
jongjong wrote: post #348

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It's so horrible. They probably think that they're helping atheists by sending them to the afterlife early. But what if the atheist is right and when you die, your last moment alive becomes frozen in your consciousness forever.

>> what if the atheist is right and when you die, your last moment alive becomes frozen in your consciousness forever. I’m sorry what? Is this the predominant/common belief among other atheists? Pretty much everyone I’ve spoken with is more likely to think you just turn off, everything goes black, back to the void of unlife.

I expect it to be unimaginable, literally, because without a running brain I can't imagine. How do you even reason or predict beyond that.

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Post by akamaozu »

keewee7 wrote: post #359
hammock wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering that 9/11 was in part a Saudi kingdom operation, I’m not convinced having more US-Saudi cooperation would have helped Edit: what’s with the downvotes?

>Edit: what’s with the downvotes? You're pushing a baseless conspiracy theory. There is no evidence that Saudi authorities were involved in 9/11.

You're a better person than myself. Would have suggested the Saudis are behind the downvotes.
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