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US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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#251
So what is the concern here?

The USA wants to check those who turn up at their border is who they say they are, and they also want to know if they are a good egg as far as the authorities know where they are from. Both of these sound iminently reasonable.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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I don't think you parsed the comment correctly. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/991680.The_Anglo_America... https://archive.org/details/pdfy-A7-BNmZpG-RLOXZZ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley -- preface snippet (1981) --- The Rhodes Scholarships, established by the terms of Cecil Rhodes's seventh will, are known to everyone. What is not so widely known is that Rhodes in five previous wills left his fo…

Sounds to me like a highly ineffective secret society, given the slow but steady decline of Anglo-American hegemony since the cold war.

Ineffective is an ungenerous appraisal, when we consider what the world looked like mid 19th century when this project got started, and how it does now. They were quite effective up to the demise of USSR. The entire world speaks English.

William Engdahl's book Gods of Money [ch. 18 - Theft of a Nation] addresses the period you mention and what was happening. There was also an ideological shift in this period, since after the end of Cold War, Neo-Conservatives have been (and remain) in ideological charge. The Wolfowitz Doctrine always struck me as decidedly un-Anglo given its willfully provocative stance, lacking any nuance or subtlety. In fact the behavior of US post Cold War remains somewhat perplexing, even in terms of purely American national interests. There may have been a regime change.

https://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/08/world/us-strategy-plan-ca...

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Their mandate doesnt allow it https://www.aclu.org/other/nsa-spying-americans-illegal

Yeah, like the siblings I can’t be sure whether you’re joking or not. In the off chance that you’re not, remember that Gitmo exists so they can do things that their mandates wouldn’t allow.

> Gitmo exists so they can do things that their mandates wouldn’t allow.

No, Gitmo exists so they can do things openly and shamelessly that their mandates wouldn't allow.

Otherwise they can use black sites, or just lie about it.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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I get the sense you do not quite understand how much essentially all of Europe is a vassal state of the group of people that also has a stranglehold on America.

Life in Europe looks pretty nice from the outside at least. Could America sign up for self-vassalage or something?

That's because the US allowed Europe to do social spending instead of military spending in order to keep them from going Communist. And anyway, the result was a monstrously armed US and a defenseless Europe, so it was ultimately a win-win for America.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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"What is the US going to offer in return." Well, not our biometric data, certainly. You could get that on eBay. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/27/technology/for-sale-on-eb...

It’s not especially valuable or private anyway. If you leave something everywhere you go (ie you can’t protect it without a spacesuit), and there’s nothing special about it compared to anyone else’s (in terms of economic value), it can’t be either of those things. People are especially sensitive about their DNA since they think pharma companies can somehow develop new expensive drugs just by looking at it. (There’s a…

This is not thoughtful. Everything is somewhere, so therefore nothing is special as compared to anything? Nevertheless, businesses and dictatorships somehow find value in the information collected and organized in files and databases.

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#256

Oh dear, dear EU, please show some teeth on this matter, god help us if you do not. The EU is the only place on earth having kinda sensitive big data/privacy laws and enforcements thereof. I am familiar enough with data aggregators like lexis nexis, you do not want to be there or end up there without knowing or without having an option for removal of the entries. Do not share anything, this paper speaks of fingerprin…

> Oh dear, dear EU, please show some teeth on this matter, god help us if you do not. > The EU is the only place on earth having kinda sensitive big data/privacy laws and enforcements thereof Only for corporations, not for governments. EU already has mandatory ID cards with biometric data (fingerprints), while AFAIK there is no such systematic collection of biometric data in US.

You have the 5 eyes and NSA instead, whatever they do not have, apple, ms, aws and google will have.

If we put all these things aside, AEoI exists and if a bank does due diligence on mortgages, loans and car leases, they collect plenty of stuff, if they have it, the government can have it.

The EU mindlessly signed up for that, now the US gets all that insight, meanwhile, its almost impossible for americans to open a bank account abroad. The europeans do not share fingerprint data, cept for criminal interpol investigations.

You are mistaken if ypu think your government is collecting less data than the euro governments.

There are more issues with governance there, but I will not go the esclation route, my message is simply to not trust governments with your data.

All on a need to know basis.

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> That’s been declining: 430,000 US troops in Europe in the ’50s, and about 60,000 at the beginning of this year. That’s been increasing, up to over 100,000 in June of this year. https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/307805...

All there to coerce France and Germany, no doubt!

Only if they want to have pipelines.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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That could go to the supreme court, maybe violates the 4th amendment? "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated" meaning, I got the right to secure my sh*t.

Citizens of other countries have no rights under the US constitution.

It's more complicated than that. They have many rights inside our border. Outside our border I'm not sure. Web search found https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rig...

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

#259
Yeah, and also please take your shoe off when boarding. Because you know, a family guy from Sweden is a threat to Uncle Sam Associates.

Further, please prove you have survived certain medical procedures (Suddenly, border force can operate in violation of hipaa).

Seriously, anyone who wants to justify current western procedures needs vacation. :-D

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

#260

Reading through the slides, it appears that what has been discussed is sharing signature and fingerprints for travel into the USA. There is a lot of weasel words, but it's probably worth nothing that the USA currently collects this information for foreign nationals coming into the USA (as the EU does for Americans traveling into the EU). This is being done in the context of a DB query as part of the e VISA applicatio…

Yeah, we should 'trust' them after they lost the biometric data for all of the Afghanis they fingerprinted. I was going to have my visa application but I guess I'll defer it.
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