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US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by bloppe »

eternalban wrote: post #192
bloppe wrote: post #164

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I think you're giving American leadership way too much credit.

I don't think you parsed the comment correctly. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/991680.The_Anglo_America... https://archive.org/details/pdfy-A7-BNmZpG-RLOXZZ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley -- preface snippet (1981) --- The Rhodes Scholarships, established by the terms of Cecil Rhodes's seventh will, are known to everyone. What is not so widely known is that Rhodes in five previous wills left his fo…

Sounds to me like a highly ineffective secret society, given the slow but steady decline of Anglo-American hegemony since the cold war.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by Msurrow »

super256 wrote: post #71
Msurrow wrote: post #43

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Obtain perhaps, but identify no. Identification requires a database of samples to match against. Way more FP and FI databases than DNA databases, so not much to use as a gallery for identification..

> Obtain perhaps, but identify no. Identification requires a database of samples to match against. Those databases already exists (just look at the MyHeritage, FamilyTreeDNA, 23andMe etc companies). Furthermore, DNA has the advantage, that you can find someone via relatives. The person to be identified doesn't have to be in the database. It's sufficient if his brother or father is in that db. Afaik this is not the ca…

Fair point about those existing DNA databases, however I still think there is a sigbificant difference between “opt-in” databases, like MyHeritage, and the FP/FI databases in scope here (the OP) where its law mandated registration in case of travel (Schengen) or asylum, visa etc. There are a lot of the latter, and its not exactly opt-in or delete on request

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by anigbrowl »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #112
marricks wrote: post #38

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Given the US has army bases all in and around Europe, more than any European country, I bet the US wouldn't comply. It's rarely talked about, but you gotta imagine, the fact the US controls most of the land and sea is a big factor in how diplomatic issues are resolved. I don't think this is a great thing, btw.

Given the US has army bases all in and around Europe, more than any European country, I bet the US wouldn't comply. That's been declining: 430,000 US troops in Europe in the '50s, and about 60,000 at the beginning of this year. https://www.boisestate.edu/bluereview/troops-in-europe/

Numbers like that don't mean anything out of context. Military deployments are best estimated in terms of firepower; a cruise missile battery may have a greater strategic impact than 1000 troops. Likewise, the strategic situation in the 1950s, along with its recent past and foreseeable future, was vastly different from that of the present.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by devmunchies »

anigbrowl wrote: post #200
devmunchies wrote: post #187

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That could go to the supreme court, maybe violates the 4th amendment? "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated" meaning, I got the right to secure my sh*t.

Great, but this news item is about the government of the USA demanding rights over the personal data of people in other countries. Not being citizens, the US govt considers them lesser people with no Constitutional protection.

I was responding to "now the US government demands not to use modern encryption".

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by pasquinelli »

pc86 wrote: post #178
omgomgomgomg wrote: post #163

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I am not sure why this is downvoted, the guy is exactly right. I would have thought HN is more on the small government political spectrum, it appears this does not count for foreign policy?

HN is on the small government side only insofar as it relates to tech legislation and adjacent regulations. It's pretty typically left-leaning California-esque politics otherwise.

hn has as much of an identity as reddit

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by pasquinelli »

QuarterReptile wrote: post #185
sfusato wrote: post #167

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Uhmm, you may want to update your knowledge on the history of the 1945-2022 period tldr: USA is the current world empire; EU are their vassals Homework: (1) find how many European military bases there are on US soil; (2) find how many US military bases there are on European soil;

> (1) find how many European military bases there are on US soil To do what? Counter the Canadian threat to US American territorial integrity? Prevent war between California and ethnic Nevadans? Monitor unmanaged flows of migrants from unstable regions? Hmm, well maybe that one. But really, one of the great blessings of the US is a lack of any home-front excitement, which makes this comparison pretty silly. Not that…

> Not that that disagrees with the hypotheses that the US is a world empire and the EU's present existence is predicated on US military size and operations.

oh, so why are you replying?

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by anigbrowl »

ptero wrote: post #115
jacquesm wrote: post #28

I sincerely hope that the EU will give the appropriate but unprintable response to this request. At the time the biometric data was first collected plenty of people warned about this exact thing and we were repeatedly assured that it would never happen. Let's see if that is still true today. Never is such a long time...

As a US citizen I would absolutely love that (a short, unprintable answer from the EU to the US). And would cheer if the EU were in a position to deliver this. But... The way it looks to me (sorry, not trying to offend) is that while the EU may be an OK construct for the peacetime prosperity it is not functioning well during the times of conflict. As of today, it does not have military strength, energy security or ec…

The thing is that every time the EU shows any interest in integrating its military forces into a something new that would be under the control of the EU rather than individual member states, the US argues against it at both the diplomatic and PR levels. This pattern has been going on since at least the Clinton administration.

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Post by phpisthebest »

EGreg wrote: post #136
MonkeyClub wrote: post #134

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> They don’t spy on their own citizens They sure do; whatever gave you the impression they don’t?

Their mandate doesnt allow it https://www.aclu.org/other/nsa-spying-americans-illegal

yes an unaccountable agency that does not have to report to anyone, and can classify all of their actions under national security directives would never violate their mandate. Never..

Let me tell you about this new crypto investment I have...

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Post by bloppe »

omgomgomgomg wrote: post #172
frankfrankfrank wrote: post #143

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I get the sense you do not quite understand how much essentially all of Europe is a vassal state of the group of people that also has a stranglehold on America.

Please explain. This might be true on military/nato matters, but economically, Europe and the EU can quite take care of themselves. As for america, who has a stranglehold there? If we leave conspiracy theories out of the equation, it is always the 2 parties un power and their corporate or institutional buddies. I do not think anyone is thelling Trump or Bidens team who to invade or bombard next. The US is the remaini…

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