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Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by vkou »

citizenpaul wrote: post #252
Ntrails wrote: post #204

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I knew about the alcoholism rates, but had always assumed it was a socio-economic / situational driven thing. I understand that historically it was used in some sense to control and indeed damage the Native Americans by the colonists? To what extent alcohol was completely new etc I do not know

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Good options were available? What if there weren't? What if you were conditioned to not take them? What if you became a child addict? What if literally nobody around you escaped the cycle of addiction and poverty?

There's a difference between growing up in an environment where *a fourth-grader in your class is always scrounging for cigarette butts to smoke (that's what my dad grew up with), and your entire community being fucked up every way to Sunday before they get into high school.

A town with a life expectancy of 50 is far closer to the latter than the former. Throw in violence, maybe a bit of domestic abuse passed down the generations, crime against you, and a dollop of literally nobody outside of it wanting to deal with your shit, and good luck escaping that environment.

But I guess that since it's technically possible for a legless man to crawl a marathon, the rest of his peers are just not trying hard enough...

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by y-c-o-m-b »

xyzelement wrote: post #22

This triggered two thoughts for me. First, how much of a killer the cold is. We've moved on from "global warming" to "climate change" language but there are a lot of places in the world that would be grateful for a few degree temperature rise (such as Latvia where I am from). Today, cold kills hundreds of thousands of people a year, while "heat deaths" are limited to geriatrics in the "first world." Second, preparedn…

I'm not a fan of either of those terms. "Climate instability" seems a better way to depict what's going on. "Climate abnormalities", "climate volatility", etc.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by zdragnar »

jkepler wrote: post #242
postalrat wrote: post #109

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Snow drifts can go 20 feet or higher with no place to shovel the snow to

Could they dig or melt a tunnel to the wood? If the snow were melted and then refroze as ice at the bottom of the tunnel, one could then slid the wood back to the tunnel entrance... Hardship breeds creativity. Necessity is the mother of invention (except under excessive government intervention, which may be at the root of reservation problems). Maybe if we could calculate the present day market value of all the land…

The odds of the snow caving in and being buried alive are far greater than the risks of waiting to get plowed out.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by citizenpaul »

vkou wrote: post #271
citizenpaul wrote: post #252

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Good options were available? What if there weren't? What if you were conditioned to not take them? What if you became a child addict? What if literally nobody around you escaped the cycle of addiction and poverty? There's a difference between growing up in an environment where *a fourth-grader in your class is always scrounging for cigarette butts to smoke (that's what my dad grew up with), and your entire community…

>literally nobody around you escaped the cycle of addiction and poverty

I guess your righteousness is greater than your reading comprehension. I left home as a minor. I have not spoken to anyone from that time including "family" since then. They were all garbage people that created their own poverty and trouble.

> child addict

I did drugs given to me by "adults" as a minor. I realized it was not a good path and rejected it.

edit:The downvotes are a good reason that I never talk about this. I've learned that privileged people rarely like to hear real stories about poverty. Go back to your 100% accurate view of the world as shown on 60 minutes.

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Post by vorpalhex »

jkepler wrote: post #238
vorpalhex wrote: post #223

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Your salary has very little to do with your credit score. Length of history + history of repayment.

Doesn't credit score also incorporate depth of payment (not sure if that's the term, but a history of paying back a large debt)? A financial adviser once told me, when I was three years out of university and had finished paying off my student loans, that my credit score was good (I'd paid off minimal bills ontime on credit cards for years and paid off a used car and student loans) but not deep - I'd never taken on a…

You are correct that history of repayment helps the score. Someone who borrows $5 once and pays it back once is less trustworthy (from a credit sense) then the person who borrows $5 every month and pays it back every month, as odd as that feels in the abstract.

Credit scores are intentionally a blend of elements. Generally the advice is to make one or two small credit purchases a month and pay them back - just enough to show consistent mild activity. Some people like using gas for this since credit cards are more fraud protected, but that may or may not be a "small purchase" for you.

When we talk about poverty, we want to seperate out the individual case (Bob is broke) from the group case (Mary's tribe is broke.) Fixing Bob's problems looks very different from fixing the tribes problems. (That doesn't mean the root problem is unrelated.)

Financial literacy education is unfortunately overrun with scams.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by zdragnar »

kneebonian wrote: post #139
zdragnar wrote: post #15

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From the article, the community has stockpiled resources, but their plows and skidsteers are all out of commission. They literally cannot get to the firewood, and every time they clear some snow out more blows in. Some people have been completely isolated in their homes for 8 days. I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers.

> Some people have been completely isolated in their homes for 8 days. I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers. I wouldn't say that, I try and always have 3 months supply of food on hand in case something happens, even just a temporary job loss, in fact the idea of having less than a full months supply of food on hand seems terrify…

As pointed out elsewhere, this is a very, very poor community. Stockpiling food is likely not an option for most if they truly do have unemployment in the 90% range

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Post by Someone »

survirtual wrote: post #221
mindslight wrote: post #201

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> Given I sleep most nights in a hammock in woods backpacking and travel around nonstop, and have no trouble in sub-zero wilderness, I have definitely opted out of housing Okay, I do agree this qualifies as opting out of the housing market. > Believe it or not, people with ethics and willpower to follow through still exist Sure. I'm there myself on a few topics, and have lived them for quite some time. But you need t…

I’d have to find my notes on the topic, but if memory serves for the results, I was targeting 200kWh of battery with a ~1000sqft space. I can’t recall my calculations on the number of panels because I was later working on another design for mobile use with my car, but I do remember it being around $20k-$30k in panels alone to do what I wanted. Panel efficiency and price has gone down since then, so I would expect tha…

Did you consider how that would do in a week-long storm that deposits a foot or more of snow on your panels?

For emergencies, I think I would put more trust in a low-tech wood burner, moving extra wood in-house whenever there’s a serious storm forecast.

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Post by poulpy123 »

jkepler wrote: post #240
katbyte wrote: post #140

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If someone doesn’t have the money to stock pile some food and fuel do you think they can afford to move?

Bus fare, then a homeless shelter until you find work in your new city?

Are you seriously advising them to leave their home to become homeless in a place they know nobody ?

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Post by kevingadd »

chasd00 wrote: post #254
Spooky23 wrote: post #83

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You did not. The society that you are a part of did systematically disassemble their society and slaughter any resistance. So “we” got our trains, oil and highways, and turned the Great Plains into one of the great breadbaskets of the world, at least for awhile. Unfortunately the depletion of the aquifers will leave those same plains a desert from an agricultural perspective in many of our lifetimes. Maybe when that…

Once again, you’re making a lot of assumptions about the person you’re replying to.

That or you're just choosing to unfavorably read the word "we" as if it refers to you specifically, instead of to the poster and their cultural, racial or national group, in order to avoid engaging with the substance of their post?

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Post by rayiner »

phkahler wrote: post #184
aaomidi wrote: post #167

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Not exactly what you’re asking but there’s also a concept of genetic trauma, where some traumas can fundamentally change your offspring. For example, your grandmother from your moms side technically made the egg cells that you were born from. That means that whatever your grandmother was going through could for example pass on all the way down to you.

>> For example, your grandmother from your moms side technically made the egg cells that you were born from. That can't be right. Grandma gave mom a single cell. Mom's ovaries with grandpa's DNA too produced the egg leading to me. Or is there some element I'm not aware of that make it more like stated above?

It this stage inherited “genetic trauma” is a fringe scientific theory.
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