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Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by ck2 »

doodlebugging wrote: post #230
ck2 wrote: post #75

I could make a horrible joke that at least lithium batteries in an EV would burn for days if not weeks for warmth. But if I had to suffer by boiling in a desert vs sub-freezing cold stealing all heat, I would take the boiling, freezing feels like death way before it happens. I imagine too much modern comfort somehow dulls survival prep and caution in the winter in those areas. Too many "easy" winters and caution fade…

>But if I had to suffer by boiling in a desert vs sub-freezing cold stealing all heat, I would take the boiling, freezing feels like death way before it happens. This reminded me of an old poem by Robert Frost memorized back in grade school - Fire and Ice. [0] https://poets.org/poem/fire-and-ice

That was fascinating, thank you for enlightening me to it.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by trillic »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #219
c-fe wrote: post #77

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> I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers. I disagree. Or, at least where I live (densely populated europe), nearly everyone with their own house has at lease one (small) fireplace with some wood stored outside, typically enough for at least a month (otherwhise, do you go shopping wood every week?). Food-wise I agree that 8 days ma…

Enough for a month of what? Small decorative fires part of the day, or fires large enough to heat the house and cook food on 24/7? The fireplaces I’m familiar with would never heat the entire house, no matter how much wood you had outside.

You don't need to heat an entire house to stay alive. Just enough so the people sitting next to the fire don't die of hypothermia

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Post by bobthepanda »

vorpalhex wrote: post #223
bobthepanda wrote: post #205

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We even have the first Gen Z Congressperson being rejected from housing due to low credit score, despite the fact that his salary as a future Congressperson is a known six-figure value. Once society has deemed you too poor to be useful, it is hard to escape that designation even if you make it out.

Your salary has very little to do with your credit score. Length of history + history of repayment.

Of course, but also it is a little ridiculous that someone with $170k+ salary is totally unable to rent at most places due to automatic credit score rejection, despite pretty much everything being below the rule of thumb for rent and salary.

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Post by nikanj »

michael_vo wrote: post #218

I always wonder why the military isn’t used in these situations. Can’t they airdrop supplies easily? Isn’t there a gigantic unused workforce that could shovel people out?

Soldiers aren’t any more weatherproof than normal humans. Working in those temperatures is equally deadly for them and civilians

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Post by arlort »

nazgulsenpai wrote: post #136
arlort wrote: post #61

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The whole world being a couple degrees hotter is not guaranteed to be equally distributed. The reason why Latvia, and most of "Northern" Europe is livable instead of a frozen wasteland is due to climate mechanisms that we're not entirely sure how sensitive they are to climate change It might get a bit warmer, it might get a lot hotter or it might even get a whole lot colder Climate change is a better term because the…

I don't disagree with your logic but your conclusion that one term is better than the other. The globe is warming, and individual climates are changing as a result. One is not a better term then the other, people are just using the wrong terms to suit their agendas.

In an ideal world I'd agree, but since one term is dramatically easier to misrepresent I still think the equivalent but more understandable term is better

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Post by jkepler »

vorpalhex wrote: post #223
bobthepanda wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We even have the first Gen Z Congressperson being rejected from housing due to low credit score, despite the fact that his salary as a future Congressperson is a known six-figure value. Once society has deemed you too poor to be useful, it is hard to escape that designation even if you make it out.

Your salary has very little to do with your credit score. Length of history + history of repayment.

Doesn't credit score also incorporate depth of payment (not sure if that's the term, but a history of paying back a large debt)? A financial adviser once told me, when I was three years out of university and had finished paying off my student loans, that my credit score was good (I'd paid off minimal bills ontime on credit cards for years and paid off a used car and student loans) but not deep - I'd never taken on a mortgage or any other high five-digit or six-digit debts.

So, though I'd been responsible for a long time, it didn't count like it would have if I'd engaged in a lot more borrowing. Problem was, I valued being debt-free sooner for the flexibility it gave me.

After all, look at the etymology of mortgage - mort gage (old French), literally "death pledge". Thanks, but I prefer life without that kind of constraint.

And if one is born into generational poverty, in a place highly dependent on government intervention, its probably really hard to access the mindset and opportunities for education and entrepreneurial examples that could start to break the poverty trend.

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Post by citizenpaul »

itsagavin wrote: post #180
Aeolun wrote: post #130

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Another question is why they all still live there?

I can answer this as a dude that started off life at 11 homeless and went from there. Live in unquestionable poverty along with your support network of $4000 a year earners? Or take a bus to any random American city and get ready for your how many days can a green recruit last in Nam scenario?

>green recruit last in Nam scenario

How is it any different where you came from? Once you become a teenager the gangs and predatory "adults" start closing in on you to either join/serve or be an outsider they abuse for amusement.

I say this from similar situation as you but I was 16. Much easier since I could legally work in restaurants (which is what I did). I have no idea how you would make it without the ability to work. I'm not saying that I want anyone to go through what I or you did. However it was blindingly clear to me even as a child that staying was equal to dying. I don't see how these people stay in these places having been there myself.

Someone posted the average income at pine ridge is <$4k. You can work for minimum wage for almost a 400% increase in income by leaving.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by jkepler »

katbyte wrote: post #140
Aeolun wrote: post #130

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Another question is why they all still live there?

If someone doesn’t have the money to stock pile some food and fuel do you think they can afford to move?

Bus fare, then a homeless shelter until you find work in your new city?
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