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Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by survirtual »

mindslight wrote: post #104
survirtual wrote: post #59

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Most people in rural areas have some kind of food store with canned goods. With things like Soylent and Huel, those can also be used. I had 6 months of Soylent back in the day. 2 bags of Huel can last about 6 days and fits in a small bag — it is one of my hacks for backpacking. If you haven’t already, I recommend having a supply of canned beans, canned tuna, canned meats to preference, canned sardines, bulk rice (you…

> 3 day reserve battery for the house ... All my heating and cooling would be electrical I don't think you've run the numbers here, at all. Battery storage that can provide off-grid heat-pump heating for a single dead-of-winter design night is bordering on impractical. Creating a buffer that could last 3 whole days (4-5x the size) would be blatantly prohibitive. Batteries only make sense for daily cycling to deal wit…

I have run the numbers and with proper insulation and lower sq footage it is completely practical.

That recommendation is for people with the money to do it, which is most of us here. I was replying to someone talking about most “rural” people and extended the reply to be relevant to people here.

Given I sleep most nights in a hammock in woods backpacking and travel around nonstop, and have no trouble in sub-zero wilderness, I have definitely opted out of housing and may or may not know something about what I’m talking about.

Believe it or not, people with ethics and willpower to follow through still exist. I have opted out of housing and opted out of having children, because the housing situation is unconscionable and refuse to participate in it (nor will I enrich people participating in it by paying their outrageous rates). I would never bring a child into this world as it is and where its going, so that is an easy one.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by ethanbond »

xyzelement wrote: post #175
ethanbond wrote: post #114

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"100 years ago" is a weird way to describe "ongoing harm as recently as... earlier this year." https://www.npr.org/2022/02/18/1081872135/native-americans-p... Or the US government's uranium mining on Navajo land continuing to poison people today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_mining_and_the_Navajo_...

What does mine placement have to do with a community's ability to store emergency firewood where it's accessible in an emergency?

The same genocidal policies that enable resource extraction with complete disregard for local populations are the ones responsible (intentionally) for the abject poverty that renders these populations extremely vulnerable to weather events. Most Americans cannot comprehend that this level of poverty exists within their borders.

For example, these populations have to be spread across massive ranges of completely worthless land, making infrastructure extremely inefficient even in scenarios where they have the financial means to invest in it whatsoever (which is also rare for all the same reasons^)

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by bratbag »

c-fe wrote: post #77
zdragnar wrote: post #15

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From the article, the community has stockpiled resources, but their plows and skidsteers are all out of commission. They literally cannot get to the firewood, and every time they clear some snow out more blows in. Some people have been completely isolated in their homes for 8 days. I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers.

> I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers. I disagree. Or, at least where I live (densely populated europe), nearly everyone with their own house has at lease one (small) fireplace with some wood stored outside, typically enough for at least a month (otherwhise, do you go shopping wood every week?). Food-wise I agree that 8 days ma…

You can't believe something that is happening?

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by phkahler »

aaomidi wrote: post #167
Ntrails wrote: post #146

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> genetic-exacerbated substance abuse Could you expand on this a bit? Not a concept I am familiar with

Not exactly what you’re asking but there’s also a concept of genetic trauma, where some traumas can fundamentally change your offspring. For example, your grandmother from your moms side technically made the egg cells that you were born from. That means that whatever your grandmother was going through could for example pass on all the way down to you.

>> For example, your grandmother from your moms side technically made the egg cells that you were born from.

That can't be right. Grandma gave mom a single cell. Mom's ovaries with grandpa's DNA too produced the egg leading to me. Or is there some element I'm not aware of that make it more like stated above?

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by qup »

zdragnar wrote: post #15
kwhitefoot wrote: post #7

The real story here seems to me to be not that people burned their clothes to stay warm but that people in a place with fragile connections to the outside world had so little in the way of supplies to weather a relatively short period without food deliveries. I'm not blaming them, I assume that many of the affected people don't have the resources to keep a buffer stock.

From the article, the community has stockpiled resources, but their plows and skidsteers are all out of commission. They literally cannot get to the firewood, and every time they clear some snow out more blows in. Some people have been completely isolated in their homes for 8 days. I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers.

Supply of wood?

In my area people who don't cut their own just buy a cord or whatever they need each fall. Enough to go through winter.

People who cut their own will generally have more than that.

The people I know have propane heaters for backup, with their own tanks. I have a 500 gallon tank.

I'm not a prepper.

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Post by itsagavin »

bombcar wrote: post #135
Aeolun wrote: post #130

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Another question is why they all still live there?

It’s a reservation and they’re the natives there. And the average is quite young, so I think everyone who can escape does (which can harm the remainder in other ways).

I spent time in ND, SD and MN matching online and phone wagering with receptive reservations. IMHO if you want to escape the res you gotta go far far away. Think 1000 miles. The racism in the Midwest is so entrenched that they solved the who!e uncomfortable mingling with people you hate thing by COMPLETELY excluding natives from society. The amount of times I saw natives bounced just for walking in to a bar in Fargo was disgusting. Its just assumed by race they are drunk, poor, vagrant and violent.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by survirtual »

ISL wrote: post #107
survirtual wrote: post #59

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Most people in rural areas have some kind of food store with canned goods. With things like Soylent and Huel, those can also be used. I had 6 months of Soylent back in the day. 2 bags of Huel can last about 6 days and fits in a small bag — it is one of my hacks for backpacking. If you haven’t already, I recommend having a supply of canned beans, canned tuna, canned meats to preference, canned sardines, bulk rice (you…

No one in the US, for instance, has any excuse because it is all very very affordable More than half of people in the United States may not be able to cover a $1k emergency expense from savings. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/19/56p... While some of that effect is due to economic choices, much of it is not. It is difficult to prepare for a long-tail disaster when you're facing oodles of short-t…

People in the US can afford a 5 gallon container of beans and rice. My suggestion isn’t financially impractical for anyone, this is nonsense.

It is just a matter of priorities and knowledge, and who is here on Hacker News reading what I wrote? Is it a population that can afford these suggestions or isn’t it?

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Post by llamaimperative »

landemva wrote: post #172
pigsty wrote: post #48

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Put someone in a village 100 miles from the nearest town, deny them the basic infrastructure you provide for everyone else, deny them proper education, skimp on government job programs provided to other struggling towns that would eventually lead to wealth flowing in and free enterprise, and let this wealth divide grow for decades and you’ll see you’ve successfully made a hole to trap people in. It’s not bigotry. Eve…

> There’s a wealth and basic life standard gap that is impossible to bootstrap. USA southern border is over-run with poor people trying to get in. I wonder what is different for these folks?

I’ve just explained what’s different. A successful genocide campaign carried out over centuries that has slowed but not stopped and certainly not reversed course.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by survirtual »

brookst wrote: post #122
survirtual wrote: post #59

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Most people in rural areas have some kind of food store with canned goods. With things like Soylent and Huel, those can also be used. I had 6 months of Soylent back in the day. 2 bags of Huel can last about 6 days and fits in a small bag — it is one of my hacks for backpacking. If you haven’t already, I recommend having a supply of canned beans, canned tuna, canned meats to preference, canned sardines, bulk rice (you…

> No one in the US, for instance, has any excuse because it is all very very affordable As another comment pointed out, median income in Pine Ridge is $4k per year . I don’t think really any of your advice is compatible with that income level.

Beans and rice in storage is directly compatible with that income level.

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Post by [deleted] »

bumby wrote: post #150
brookst wrote: post #122

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> No one in the US, for instance, has any excuse because it is all very very affordable As another comment pointed out, median income in Pine Ridge is $4k per year . I don’t think really any of your advice is compatible with that income level.

I get the impression from a lot of HN comments that many people are unaware of the variability in living standards in a country of 350+MM people

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